To all those who say that it is not the mission of the Churches to end the injustice of the War On Drugs I have a question/answer.
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To all those who say that it is not the mission of the Churches to end the injustice of the War On Drugs I have a question/answer.
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Man, I know what you’re going to say but I’m going to say this anyway and phrase it to, hopefully, forestall your comment.
The goal of abortion is to kill people.
The goal of the “war on drugs” is to save people.
See the difference?
The actual result of the Drug War is to kill people and deny them medicine.
So are we all now Democrats? Good intentions are enough?
I have to say V that my allies on the Right are starting to come across as being just as stupid as my enemies on the Right are re: the subject.
It is a wonder.
You ought to go back and reread everything my allies have said on this thread. Pay especial attention to Randy who gets it.
Hebrew Etymology
Here is what is headed your way. Get ready if you can. I look forward to seeing you hold your personal position and the Republican position at the same time. Right now I see you bent into a pretzel. Your further contortions should be quite amusing.
T -10 days and counting
The advantage I have over you is that I’m not a Party man. Though the heavens fall – let justice be done.
Okay, so why don’t you rail against section 8 housing?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/06/21/section-8-vouchers-crime-correlated-expect-media-indifference
It’s supposed to help people but all it does is spread crime.
So why haven’t you been railing against section 8 housing?
I’m a party man? You make me laugh. Ha ha.
You really should understand who you’re talking to before you make such an asinine comment. Seriously.
As I’ve said over and over and over, it’s all politicians except for a very few.
I’ve railed against establishment GOPers over and over and over. I’ve called Boehner and Hastert before him and Bush and McConnell and other establishment GOPers assholes in no uncertain terms for not acting the way the GOP claims to want to act.
I’m for making the GOP stand up for their supposed values.
I’m against Dems because their values are collectivism and gov’t power and that’s something you are against and yet you keep writing articles about how any day now they’re going to agree to limit gov’t power. That makes me laugh as well. Ha ha.
Hmmmmmm, you demand Christians act the way you want them to and I want the GOP to act the way they claim they want to.
Seems to me my position is much more defensible.
Now go out and write rude post after rude post railing against section 8 housing and then we’ll talk.
Section 8 housing didn’t kill my brother. The drug war did. And I don’t need a statistical study to prove it. BTW did they correct for drug war effects?
I’ll criticize anything I want. Until Eric kicks me out of here.
I’m not demanding the church act in any way. I’m acting in a much older tradition. If the church doesn’t act it will be destroyed. I am Samuel – not the finger of the Maker.
If some one I like is headed over a cliff I would try to warn them. But if they are determined well – I will let them go their own way.
Cassandras always have this problem. The warnings are hardly ever heeded.
I’m reminded of the demise of the Church in Europe. WW1 was bad. WW2 was infinitely worse.
Being more sensitive in America we don’t need 12 million dead to be ashamed. I think the million already tallied in the last 20 or 30 years is more than sufficient. Especially with the Christian Right falling right in line without consideration of the cost.
You might like what uncle miltie had to say about the morality of the enterprise way back in ’91. Twenty years ago.
The Drug War as a Socialist Enterprise by Milton Friedman
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http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/friedm1.htm
I have to admit that the one negative feature of legalizing drugs is that there might be some additional drug habbits. However, I want to qualify that in still another way.
The Child who’s shot in a slum in a pass-by-shooting, in a random shooting, is an innocent victim in every respect of the term. The person who decides to take drugs for himself is not an innocent victim. He has chosen himself to be a victim. And I must say I have very much less sympathy for him. I do not think it is moral to impose such heavy costs on other people to protect people from their own choices.
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Neither do I Miltie. Neither do I.
The cost got imposed on my brother. It is immoral and I’m still pissed. Every one who supports the damn thing is immoral and everyone who councils silence is complicit.
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BTW V do you think the churches in Europe were complicit in the death of 12 million in the camps? Should some one have warned them of the consequences of silence? Not just to the dead but to themselves?
More to the point: are good intentions good enough?
The Church is supposed to have a moral obligation to end injustice. Many of them have been complicit in keeping it going.
But I get your point, you expect more from your politicians than your churches. Is it any wonder the country is so screwed?
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The dynamic played out in Europe – the church persecuted the Jews for centuries. Sometimes harshly sometimes with vigor. Eventually the politicians joined in.
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If you haven’t read this book you ought to. It is all about the intersection of morality and the state.
Drug Warriors and Their Prey: From Police Power to Police State
But I get your point, you expect more from your politicians than your churches.
Politicians make laws. Churches don’t.
Or maybe a short review of Drug Warriors would serve you better.
How To Put An End To Drug Users
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Oh, and they’re not “my churches”.
I don’t believe in a god.
Once again, I’m with you on the end of the drug war. You don’t need to convert me.
My point is that your rude jihad against Christianity is rude, obnoxious, non-productive and rude.
Did I mention rude?
The Christians were quite rude to me when I was a youth. I’m returning the favor. Statists social conservatives will never help me end drug prohibition and in fact will cheer it on until they get dragged kicking and screaming to the table. Heck even the social conservatives who do not support prohibition will be of less than no help judging by their reaction to my posts(“the mission of the church is not fighting injustice” according to them – say just who are they worshiping anyway?). So far as I can tell my only true allies in THIS fight are fookin communists. People I otherwise detest. (not counting the libertarians on my side)
Why do I HAVE to be nice to people who are so RUDE as to cheer on a program that killed my brother? And the brothers of so many others. Oh I forgot. Their motto is “Gott mit uns”. As long as they don’t have to pull the trigger personally they can wash their hands of the matter and sleep the sleep of the blessed.
And rude? I’m rather mild compared to what they will have coming post Oct 2nd.
You want to hear RUDE? The churches that supported this abomination will be destroyed and I will cheer the destruction.
Randy got it right – they can’t help because it would make a mockery of their faith. Of course that tends to point out thhat their faith is both weak and misdirected.
Because if their faith was strong my rants would roll off their backs. If their faith was strong they would defy their churches when the church was in error. I ain’t seeing it. Their “faith” is an illusion. Or they are too in love with their social network to do what is right. To join the true church you have to be willing to give up friends and family – says Jesus. I did. And guess what? My family has come over to my side.
As I told a friend, “What is coming is all too Biblical for my taste.” And at this point there is nothing I can do to stop it. So be it.
The truth of this matter is as ugly as I have ever seen.
I am seeing none of the “loving hearts” the church goes around proclaiming it has. Because people with love in their hearts don’t make war on 10% of their neighbors for smoking the “wrong” plants. For believing in the “wrong” God. The theory is that you are supposed to heal the sick and correct the error. Lovingly. Not hold the modern day equivalent of the Inquisition.
All that is going down and with some luck and the grace of God a better church will arise.
“Distrust anyone in whom the desire to punish is powerful” Friedrich Nietzsche
Good churches don’t support evil laws. Either by willing assistance or silence.
It is supposed to be central to Judeo-Christian faiths. My quick and dirty search showed that only the Jews are uniformly on the right side of this question (well as uniform as you can get in any large population). The Reforms support med pot and the Orthodox are out there selling it.
You know why the howls were so loud from those social conservatives on my side? Because they know it is A Dagger Pointed At The Heart Of The Church. In their heart of hearts they know.
One even went so far as to say I was not a supporter of Classical Values. That was supposed to hurt. It just made me LULZ.
Classical Values are to fight injustice. Not to go around prating “it is not our mission”.