Hebrew Etymology

Commenter Randy suggested I do some etymological research. So I did. And found something very interesting.

In 1936, Sara Benetowa, later Known as Sula Benet, an etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences, in Warsaw wrote a treatise, “Tracing One Word Through Different Languages.” This was a study on the word Cannabis, based on a study of the oldest Hebrew texts. Although the word cannabis was thought to be of Scythian origin, Benet’s research showed it had an earlier root in the Semitic Languages such as Hebrew. Benet demonstrated that the ancient Hebrew word for Cannabis is Kaneh -Bosem. She also did another study called Early Diffusion and Folk Uses of Hemp. There is a reprint of this in Cannabis and Culture. On page 44, she states, “The sacred character of hemp in biblical times is evident from Exodus 30:23, where Moses was instructed by God to anoint the meeting tent and all of its furnishings with specially prepared oil, containing hemp.” On page 41 Sula Benet writes, : In the course of time, the two words kaneh and bosem were fused into one , kanabos or kannabus know to us from the Mishna. According to the Webster’s New World Hebrew Dictionary, page 607 the Hebrew for hemp is kanabos.

Sara Benetowa discovered that the Kaneh-Bosm or Cannabis is mentioned 5 times in the Old Testament. The first occurrence appears in the Holy Anointing Oil as Calamus, (Exodus 30:23). Sara argued that the translation of Calamus was a mistranslation which occurred in the oldest Bible the “Septuagint” and the mistranslation was copied in later versions.

But what is the effect to the baptism?

You may argue that the Anointing with the cannabis based oil has no redeeming value. I would like to point out that all Orthodox Churches practice the Chrism anointing. What started me into The Fire Baptism and the Lost Sacraments is that not one Church uses the Holy Anointing Oil as described in Exodus 30:23 even with the Calamus translation.

The Bible is very clear that this was the only oil to be used.

A Sarah Benetowa article can also be found at the site. Read the whole thing.

The irony is of course hilarious. Those most identifiably against cannabis tend to be on Christian Right these days.

Update: There has been some controversy in the comments. Here is a video discourse on the latest etymological research on the subject:

Continued here.

Also for your amusement my recent article on the religious revival of the 60s: The 60s Actually Did Work Until Crony Religionism Killed It

And a video from the Christian perspective:

Roger Christie – THC Ministry – Holy Anointing Oil Recipe – video

The Hawai`i Cannabis Ministry

You can help Roger Christie by donating to him directly through the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Please send funds to Roger at the address below – [see the link above for details]

Hey maybe it is time to get back to the Old Time Religion. If it was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me.

“Are you unwilling to be anointed with the Oil of God? Wherefore we are called Christians on this account, because we are anointed with the oil of God.” Theophilus of Antioch (181AD)

From Is it Christ or is it Anti-Christ???

The Holy Anointing Oil of God is described in Exodus 30:23. Take thou also unto thee three principal spices, of liquid Myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet Cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet Calamus (Kaneh Bosem in Hebrew) two hundred and fifty shekels, and of Cassia five hundred shekels after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin. And thou shalt make it an oil of Holy ointment compound after the art of apothecary: it shall be a Holy anointing oil. Exodus 30:22-25

And:

But as “Christ” means “the anointed” What does “Anti-Christ” mean? “Anti” in Greek means “Opposed to” or “Instead of”. The Anti-Christ would then mean “Opposed to the anointed” or “Instead of the anointed”.

For false Christ’s or (false anointed ones) and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect. Matthew 24:24

Today the Roman Catholic Churches, use Pure Olive Oil, sprinkled with powered Balsam, and blessed by a Bishop at lent. Here we find the “instead of anointing”.

The Coptic Orthodox use a Myron oil which consists of over 30 spices. The Myron Oil is based on a tradition that Saint Mark took with him the spices used at Jesus burial to Alexandria. Whether or not this is true is unknown, but here again we have the “Instead of Oil”

There are other Churches that boil down various other configurations of the Holy Oil. Some include wine, salt, and other ingredients, boiled with oil, as the “instead of Holy Oil”.

Most protestant Churches offer no anointing at all. Here we find the “opposed to anointing”.

It appears, that in the Christian World, so preoccupied with calling themselves, Christians or “The Anointed Ones”, we have no place for the “Holy Anointing Oil of God”, as described in the Exodus 30:23

Could it be that the Churches have been deceived, regarding the anointing? If this is so, surely this would have been prophesied.

Further update: In the comments some one said I ought to get over attacking Christians. I said I thought that was a good idea and I would look for some dirt on the Jews in relation to the material at hand.

Here is something I found. I’ll look for more. Orthodox Jews run a medical marijuana collective in Berkeley, California and also sell a religiously inspired cannabis cream. Here is the url of the collective: Doc Green’s

Not exactly about Jews: Jesus ‘healed using cannabis’

Jesus w as almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.

The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.

“There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion,” Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.

Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: “Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures.”

Mr Bennett suggests those anointed with the oils used by Jesus were “literally drenched in this potent mixture _ Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin”.

Quoting the New Testament, Mr Bennett argues that Jesus anointed his disciples with the oil and encouraged them to do the same with other followers. This could have been responsible for healing eye and skin diseases referred to in the Gospels.

“If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ,” Mr Bennett concludes.

More etymology by Chris Bennett (mentioned in several of the above videos). I’m still looking for dirt on the Jews.

Part 2 of the Chris Bennett interview

My Hebrew name is Moshe משה (English Moses) often Maish, which would be a nickname. My English name is Michael.

I’m still looking for dirt on the Jews. And all I came up with is the Orthodox guys again.

It’s not an uncommon sight in the East Bay — home of the country’s first cannabis trade school, Oaksterdam University — but an hour later Green is doing something a bit more out of character for the Bay Area: He’s wrapping tefillin and davening mincha, the afternoon prayers.

In Northern California, even the religious Jews light up.

Green, 32, is a founding member of Doc Green’s, a medical marijuana collective established by Orthodox Jews, who, like the late kabbalistic rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, believe that cannabis was one of the ingredients in the holy anointing oil described in the Torah.

I used to wrap tefillin and daven mincha when I was a kid. I may still have the tefillin from my youth around somewhere. I’ll have to ask the first mate if she put them somewhere.

Anyway I’m tired of looking for dirt on the Jews. It is hard to find. If anyone has a link I’ll add it.

I did find this from Above Top Secret.

Aloha. I just bought a book on the advice of a dear friend. In my opinion, it will help to open the big door of cannabis prohibition, once and for all.

The book is Webster’s New World Hebrew Dictionary by Hayim Baltsan published in 1992. The ISBN number is 0-671-88991-5. It cost me $18.00 plus tax.

On page 650 there is the definition of ‘marijuana’. It says ‘kanabos’. The Hebrew word for it is there for all to see.

It’s the SAME WORD that appears for the definition of ‘hemp’ in the Ben-Yehuda Hebrew-English Dictionary on page 140. This book cost me $7.00 plus tax.

Together, these dictionaries help to prove that cannabis – kanebosm – kanabos – is the missing ingredient in the holy anointing oil of Moses and the Christening oil of Jesus.

Cross Posted at Power and Control

Update: 31 August 2018

This video (about two hours) gives more details of the Biblical history of cannabis.


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41 responses to “Hebrew Etymology”

  1. jb Avatar
    jb

    Uh . . .

    The Orthodox and “the Christian Right” are poles apart on virtually everything, and have quite different theological perspectives.

    Irony lost on that one.

  2. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Uh…

    Perhaps you don’t get it. The Orthodox are using the wrong oil and “the Christian Right” in America are the one identifiable group in America against hemp.

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    This group is endeavoring to restore the correct oil to the Orthodox Church:

    http://universalorthodox.org/

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    Holy Anointing Oil – video about 5 minutes with more on the etymology.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_L%C3%B6w

    Immanuel Löw (January 20, 1854 in Szeged -July 19, 1944 in Budapest ), was a Hungarian rabbi, scholar and politician.

    Löw’s fame as a scholar is based primarily on his pioneering work in the field of Talmudic and rabbinic lexicography and in the study of plant names.

    Die flora der Juden. 4 v. in 5. Wien: Leipzig, R. Löwit, 1924–34

  3. jb Avatar
    jb

    I would daresay that fellow does not represent the Orthodox Church, but only his version of it.

    And precisely where in the New Testament (which is the fulfillment of the Old) is the “kind” of oil used in chrismation?

    Answer: nowhere. The particular oil used is not the essence of the matter, but the Words of Christ and adherence to the same. Saying that there is, is akin to acting like the Calvinist evangelicals who cheer on the drug war.

    I have no quarrel with you about needing to end the stupid war on drugs. It has been the cause of untold misery for countless folks. But you seem to have a particular quarrel/animus with the Church for not carrying the issue forward on large banners. That is not the mission of the Church, and it is an aberration when the Church steps outside of its mission to spread the Gospel of Christ and becomes enmeshed in matters political.

    Unfortunately, those churches practicing the social gospel have stepped beyond their Scripturally mandated preaching of the Gospel and administration of the Sacraments, and now, those on whatever side of the political fence are chastizing the Church for not taking “their” side on whatever issue.

    As individuals, it is our business. It is not the business of the Church.

  4. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    jb,

    Well the case looks fairly solid for the anointing oil being used to heal.

    And note: The Jews don’t get it either. Except for Reform Jews who have at least come out for Med-pot.

    But being a Christian nation I guess most of the stuff on the ‘net will be from a Christian perspective. I’ll try to find something about Jews and the oil. And add it to the post. We wouldn’t want any religion to go unscathed.

    And I must say. If “Christians” are tired of getting kicked they ought to straighten up. All of them. They ALL ought to focus on healing and give up totally hurting. I’m sorry if that offends you. Perhaps you need to get the word out to your brethren. In the strongest possible terms.

    All I can say is I get visions and hear voices that advise so. Is it the Head Office or my mild schizophrenia? Hard to say. But the advice has always been good and when I don’t follow it I get kicked very hard. I take that as a sign. YMMV.

  5. jb Avatar
    jb

    Duuuuuuuuuuude . . .

    You can’t offend me on this issue, and I am not saying that the Church is “tired of getting kicked” (you did) . . . those that are not of the evangelical, dominionism (there are some huge difference) stripe have never worried about what society or politicians or anyone else says. We really don’t take orders from society. We spend a lot of time correcting and healing the effects of society in our individual members’ lives. But then, that IS our business.

    I am talking directly to you. You are as much telling the Church what to do as do various other political groups–Dems on social issues and the GOP on conservative matters, and evangelicals based on whatever charismatic fellow is leading their charge.

    None of that—let me stress that again—None of that is the Church’s business. It never was, never will be. And you are perfectly free to insist otherwise, since this is your site and all, but the primary definition of Church has nothing to do with the matters in which you wish the Church to involve itself. Period.

  6. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Well. I come from a long line of prophets. You know. The original line. The church doesn’t have to listen. I will not cease to speak. I have been commanded. A very old story. And you know how it ends. All I can say is that once I started writing this piece the presence got stronger. And no. I haven’t done any chemicals that would do anything like that for a very long time.

    I’m not asking the Church/Christians to get involved in supporting or enforcing Prohibition. Quite the opposite. A great injustice is being done. And YOU know what the Church is SUPPOSED to do about that. Don’t you?

  7. […] was my last response to a fellow here who is absolutely right that the war on drugs should be over like yesterday, but who is likewise […]

  8. jb Avatar
    jb

    No, I don’t, not at least according to what you say . . . tell me . . . what is the Christ-mandated mission of the Church?

    This should be interesting . . .

  9. Veeshir Avatar

    Listen, just because almost every politician in the land likes the drug war for some reason, most having to do with the power, of course he needs to attack Christians.

    I don’t see how that’s even a question.

    I mean, everybody, including Christians, need to vote for Ron Paul so we can legalize drugs because…uhh….. it’s the Christian thing to do.

  10. jb Avatar
    jb

    Veeshir . . .

    I’m not quite sure from whence you are coming or where you intend to go . . .

    But this much I can respond to:

    I don’t vote. Quit a long time ago, because neither party actually bothers to listen past the power brokers, and they damn well do what they want when the get the power. Meanwhile, they herd the sheeples to the polls to validate their system of power. My conscience is a tad stronger than to buy the patriotic nonsense about one vote mattering.

    And I am old enough to know that if one vote does matter, it was probably bought.

    So I simply ignore the entire, sordid mess.

    To reiterate my point—the War on Drugs is a miserable failure and has robbed thousands of life and livelihood. Especially cannabis, which despite the drug warriors claims otherwise, is proving itself very useful, and very much as an anti-carcinogen.

    My gripe with Simon is not about that. It is about him trying to do the same that both political parties and off-the-wall independent “out-there” pastoral authorities leading flocks that aren’t quite sure which is hither or yon, trying to force THE Church, which is defined and mandated by Christ and by no one else, and tell it what it must do.

    Long and the short . . . ain’t his biz.

  11. TMI Avatar

    Simon–

    Kick it.
    .

  12. Randy Avatar
    Randy

    And precisely where in the New Testament (which is the fulfillment of the Old) is the “kind” of oil used in chrismation?

    Ask and ye shall receive!

    Although Cannibis Culture is certainly not the New Testament, the web page below is part 4 of a series they did about cannibis in antiquity. This one is titled “Cannabis and the Christ: Jesus used Marijuana”.

    Quick summary of the link–

    Working from the assumption that kaneh bos is in reality cannibis, here the writer presents his case that Jesus was trying to bring cannibis back to the Jews. Because kaneh bos was used by other religions considered pagan by an ealier king, its usage was banned in order to distance their Jewish practices from these other religions. Jesus beleived that the ban was wrong and was trying to reintroduce kaneh bos to the Jewish religious practices of his time.

    If true, one could interpret Jesus’ efforts to return cannibis to Jewish life as the “fulfillment of the old” law.

    Gimme that old time religion!

    Sorry, couldn’t resist.

    And I apologize for no linky, but I’m out of practice on proper html’ing, so you’ll have to cut and paste if you want to peruse.

    http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

    A side note, but I think it’s the Coptic Christians in the ME that use cannibis in ther rituals and claim the practice started 2000 years ago.

  13. Joseph Hertzlinger Avatar

    I find this hard to believe. According to Ezekiel 27:19, kaneh bosem had to be imported. Cannabis, on the other hand, is a weed that will grow anywhere. In the absence of legal restrictions, there is no need to import it.

    I suppose the next claim will be that the Bible commands us to listen to rags since shmata is a continuation of sh’ma …

  14. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    jb,

    You mean the Church listening to all those Saints or on the other side Martin Luther was a mistake?

    Time for a new reformation don’t you think?

    Well OK. You don’t want your church in politics. Fine. Couldn’t they at least speak out against the injustice? Or do they prefer silence. That Jesus guy wasn’t silent about the injustices of his day. He went head to head with them. Well not many Christians around these days. Pity.

    Veeshir,

    Palin/Johnson 2012.

    Because making war on 30 million Americans is a really bad idea. Not to mention 100 million Mexicans and those from points further South.

    And I suppose the fact that the Drug War killed my brother is a joke to you too.

    http://classicalvalues.com/2011/09/i-blame/

    If you think that is a joke – fuck you and the ass you rode in on.

    Yeah. With me it is a grudge match. A personal thing.

    Oh and jb,

    What I hear from you sounds a lot like the attitude most German Churches took from 1933 to ’45. “Politics is not our thing.” And what happened in the end? The church is nearly dead in Europe. It can happen here. In fact from what I see so far it will.

  15. jb Avatar
    jb

    Simon—

    That was a bullshit low blow about “German” churches. If you have half a sense of history, you must know that Americans and Roosevelt let that shit go on and on for years, and only came into the war to save England’s ass!

    I said nothing about your brother—in fact, I have defended your view completely, save for blaming the Church for not doing what it was not commissioned to do. To bring your brother up and then hit me (or Veeshir) with a “fuck you” is about as cheap as you can get. Neither of us went there. That was just a mean, cheap-assed shot on your part. It might be personal, but you are damn well blaming the wrong folks. And that has nothing to do with religion or the faith or anything else.

    It is just you, being a total ass.

    And apparently, your ability to read the New Testament needs some serious corrections. Jesus did not go on and on about the Romans, who were the rulers. He nailed Herod, who was a two timing Jew, and He nailed the Pharisees for being hypocrites and willing to kill the faith of believers. He was about the business of the fledgling Church, apparently a point that escapes you altogether.

  16. jb Avatar
    jb

    Classical Values?

  17. Veeshir Avatar

    I’m just as against the drug war as anybody.
    I don’t see how so rudely and relentlessly attacking Christians is a way to stop it though.
    Go back to attacking tea partiers, everybody else does.

  18. jb Avatar
    jb

    Man, you are a master of shifting sands.

    We went past the gnostics the first quarter at Sem.

    Look, Dude, I am not at war with you. You have some issues, but they are NOT with me or the Church.

    Be flipping logical! Who initiated the war on drugs? Gummint. Who perpetuates the war on drugs? Gummint. Who funds the war on drugs? Gummint, taking our tax dollars, no less. Who sent a bunch of guns to the Mexican cartels to kill both innocent Mexicans and our own border guys? Gummint.

    Get off this “church” stuff and put the blame where it belongs, and then, focus your energies there. Continuing this thread as if it made sense is beyond the pale.

    If you think the OT and gnostics are superior to the Gospel, then that is simply your problem. Now . . .

    To your unwarranted “fuck you” a few posts above. If it was directed at me, let me tell you far better and smarter men have told me that, and given your mindset, I really don’t want any apology.

    Veeshir said nothing to warrant your saying that to him, and you do owe him a sincere apology.

    Geez . . . I’m going to leave this be since you will go on and on and shift sands till you appear the winner.

    Let me declare you the winner in your own mind right now. Happy?

    Classical values my ass! Juvenile is more like it.

  19. Randy Avatar
    Randy

    I have no quarrel with you about needing to end the stupid war on drugs. It has been the cause of untold misery for countless folks. But you seem to have a particular quarrel/animus with the Church for not carrying the issue forward on large banners. That is not the mission of the Church, and it is an aberration when the Church steps outside of its mission to spread the Gospel of Christ and becomes enmeshed in matters political.

    You and I covered this a few days ago. Let me give it another try.

    The fact of the matter is that there are large numbers of Christians who see various political issues through a religious filter. I don’t think that’s disputable.

    For these type of Christians, religious considerations may only be a part of why they hold a particular view. However, it’s their own personal religious certitude that basically gives them a moral superiority complex in politics.

    As they see it, they’re on the right side of supernatural history by being a member in good standing in the ONE TRUE RELIGION with the ONE TRUE GOD. It’s impossible in their mind that they could be wrong on something as trivial as earthly polictics, what with their being a believer in the ONE TRUE GOD and being on the right side of supernatural history.

    IOW, their religious beleifs have gotten them stuck in a circular reasoning loop.

    And when you have the mindset where everything is judged good or bad through a religious filter, that person is usually impervious to rational argumentation.

    There are Christians that support the WOD because they are certain in their hearts that God wants them to do that. And thinking it a sin may be only one of several reasons why they think their stand is correct and Godly. Because they beleive God wants them to support the WOD, any argument made to reform the drug laws is tantamount to handing Satan the keys to the kingdom. IOW, to oppose the righteous WOD is to oppose God, and that just can’t be right.

    Logic can’t penetrate that. And there are millions of Christians like that. I’m sorry, but that’s just the facts.

    The only way to get through to that type of Christian is to demonstrate that the politcal moral high ground he thinks he occupies is a fiction. He has to be knocked off his high horse through religious argumenation and ridicule.

    If you have a better way to convince these moral authoritarians the error their ways, I’m all ears. Or in this case, eyes.

  20. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Randy,

    I know one of those guys and discuss the subject with him every day. He is impervious to logic. Totally. He HATES what he calls self indulgence.

    He does take the point that that these drugs are medicinal. However, his need to punish “evil-doers” is so great that he is unwilling to stop the punishment of “evil-doers” so the sick can get their medicine. Every day.

    He knows that 70% of female heroin users have been sexually abused but he is unwilling to provide them succor for fear that the portion of the 30% that are self indulgent will not get what is coming to them.

    As far as I can tell his conscience is clear on the matter.

    7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

    In another life (I’m not going to say when or why – just that it was within my current lifetime on this planet) my first name was Samuel.

    We have been 40 years in the desert on this matter. Enough of the old ones have died off so that the end is in sight. They will not be going to the promised land.

    The Black Church and The Drug War:

    Bought And Paid For

    Our previous discussion of what is coming for the Church on this matter:

    A Dagger Pointed At The Heart Of The Church

  21. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    From Bought And Paid For

    Why are they not talking about AIDS and that the war on drugs is the primary culprit for the spread of this incurable disease in their communities? Why do they have this dumb look on their faces when you mention that intravenous drug users, through homosexual and heterosexual encounters are the primary conveyers of AIDS in prisons and our communities? Is it because the religious community is tied to local, state and federal funding and the authorities forbid discussion? Is it because they have become employers and employees of the drug war through rehabilitation centers and drug counseling etc.? Is it because they have become gatekeepers where their prosperity depends on not solving the drug problem but perpetuating it?

    I really had no idea that Black ministers were colluding in the destruction of their own people for money. What self delusion it must take to keep “helping”.

    =======

    Further research since then has provided evidence that it is not just the Black Churches.

  22. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    And what Black Organizations are in the lead on ending the Drug War?

    NAACP

    Blacks In Government

    Both secular.

  23. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    It has been the cause of untold misery for countless folks. But you seem to have a particular quarrel/animus with the Church for not carrying the issue forward on large banners.

    There seems to be no problem with taking the abortion matter to the political arena. Why not drug prohibition too?

    I await the usual sophistry.

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    I support Rockford Pro Life

    Which interestingly enough believes abortion is too important an issue to put in the hands of government.

  24. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Veeshir,

    The voices which are occasionally in my head told me to. I was told to warn the Churches that their end is nigh.

    The Head Office or my mild schizophrenia?

    If the end of Drug Prohibition causes a turning away from the Church you will know the answer.

  25. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    And of course the bigger issue is the reduction of the Republican Party. Putting the socialist in charge for the final Destruction of America.

    They capitalized on the end of official racism for 40 years. If they can do that for the Drug War can we stand another 40 years? Can we stand even 20 more?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/the_democrats_2012_victory_plan.html

    My hope is that Sarah Palin will come out against the Drug War.

  26. Randy Avatar
    Randy

    One. More. Try.

    Try to follow, I’m begging.

    1. Christianity purports to be A.
    2. Regarding political issue X, some Christians take a political stand that is arguably NOT A, yet said Christians think their stand is congruent with A and therefore truly is A.
    3. Those who take the other side on political issue X (call it NOT X)find they must employ religious argumentation, shaming and ridicule against those Christians in number 2. above to demonstrate to them that what they think is A is really NOT A with regards to political issue X.

    See? That’s not hard too understand, is it?

    Again, there are Christians whose certitude in politics is bolstered by their certitude in their religious beliefs. Because they are certian they’ve gotten the hard stuff right (religion), they are certian they can get the easy stuff correct (politics).

    On some issues, they will think the other side wrong simply because their reasoning and religious beliefs have already proved to their own satisfaction that the side they’ve chosen was right both policy-wise and from the religious angle. IOW, they are certian they are on the side of the angels on some issues. Because their religious self-perception is inextricably tied to their political stances on some issues, one has to argue religion with them in the hope that you can convince them that they’ve missed something they dhouldn’t have and got it wrong in some fashion or another in order to get them to switch stances.

    Whether you believe it or not, there are Christians that believe the WOD to be justified both secularly (it’s risky business) and religiously (hedonism is wrong and a sin). Because their position rests on two separate and unequal foundations, those of us who are anti-WOD are forced to argue against both foundations.

    Arguing against the secular/logical foundation is easy. Our Chrisitian isn’t emotionally invested in that pillar so it isn’t very thick. OTOH, the foundational pillar that encompasses his religiosity, that one is thick, deep and wide and 2000 thousand years old! It must be right! In that instance, I’m not arguing with him, in his mind, I’m arguing against everyhing good and right in this world! How dare I do such a thing!

    The irony in all this is that you agree with me and Simon about the WOD, but because we have to take on the moral authoritarians and the religious pillar they rest their case on, you feel threatened becuase it’s your pillar too. Just not on this issue.

    jb

    You sound like Pauline Kael of the NYT who, when Nixon was elected, she was dumbfounded by that result becasue she didn’t know anyone who voted for Nixon. You’re the same way about Christian moral authoritarians, they don’t exist cause you claim you don’t know any, therefore it’s impossible that any Christian gave or gives political support for the WOD. That’s patently absurd.

    The vice laws on the books these past 100 years or so are there there to pander to a certian type of Christian voter. Or do you think the pols were trying to attract the sinner vote?

  27. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    TMI,

    Thank you!

  28. Randy Avatar
    Randy

    If kaneh bos is indeed cannibis, it means that most of the modern day practitioners that claim the ancient Hebrews as their religious ancestors have denied themselves the chance to be filled with the spirit by refraining from using cannibis.

    I’ve been filled with the spirit many times in my life. It’s a good thing. I can understand why the ancient Hebrews looked forward to the Sabbath.

    And it must be said that Moses did real good by his brother Aaron and his kinsmen, making them the priests.

  29. jb Avatar
    jb

    Randy

    That was just plain silly. You don’t have a flipping clue what you are talking about, and Simon is next in line.

    Go find someone else to blame.

    This passes as Classical Values?

  30. Ben David Avatar
    Ben David

    This is NONSENSE as any Hebrew speaker can tell you.

    Kaneh=reed, twig, stalk.

    Bosem=perfume, balsam.

    Both of these are standard 3-letter roots in Hebrew, Aramaic, and other Semitic languages.

    The “em” syllable at the end of “bosem” is not some Latinate prefix or suffix can can just be ignored – it’s part of the 3-letter root:

    BSM

    Vowel marks above and below the consonants tell you how to pronounce it – that’s how all Semitic languages work.

    The later Hebrew word “canbus” refers to hemp’s use to weave “canvas” – and is obviously borrowed from Hellenistic usage. According to Wikipedia it originally comes from Greek:

    The word canvas is derived from the 13th century Anglo-French canevaz and the Old French canevas. Both may be derivatives of the Vulgar Latin cannapaceus for “made of hemp,”[1] originating from the Greek ???????? (cannabis).

    Nice try.

  31. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Ben David,

    What you say seems to contradict the Hebrew dictionaries cited.

    Evidently it contradicts the evidence presented in several of the videos – (references cited).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_L%C3%B6w

    Immanuel Löw (January 20, 1854 in Szeged -July 19, 1944 in Budapest ), was a Hungarian rabbi, scholar and politician.

    Die flora der Juden. 4 v. in 5. Wien: Leipzig, R. Löwit, 1924–34

    =====

    Moshe Ben Mendel

  32. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_L%C3%B6w

    Immanuel Löw (January 20, 1854 in Szeged -July 19, 1944 in Budapest ), was a Hungarian rabbi, scholar and politician.

    Löw’s fame as a scholar is based primarily on his pioneering work in the field of Talmudic and rabbinic lexicography and in the study of plant names.

    Die flora der Juden. 4 v. in 5. Wien: Leipzig, R. Löwit, 1924–34

  33. Ben David Avatar
    Ben David

    What you say seems to contradict the Hebrew dictionaries cited.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    1) Open up a Hebrew Bible.

    It’s two separate words.

    Taken together they mean “perfumed bark” or “perfumer’s balsam”.

    End of story.

    Any attempt to smash these words together, and then reinterpret them, betrays woeful ignorance of the text, and of Hebrew. Which leads to…

    2) Immanuel Low was a Reform rabbi who was caught up in the axe-grinding effort to create a “scientific” presentation of Judaism.

    Much of that generation’s putative “scholarship” has been discarded as inadequately scientific, or run over by subsequent discoveries.

  34. Ben David Avatar
    Ben David

    – oh, and:

    3) The Middle East has at least a dozen native trees whose fragrant balsam or resin was important to the perfume industry up until the era of modern chemistry. Styrax, acacia, liquidambar etc.

    So there is no need to go looking for another, more arcane, meaning.

  35. Joseph Hertzlinger Avatar

    I’ve been trying to listen (sh’ma) to one of my rattier sweaters (a sh’mata) but I can’t hear anything…

  36. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    The Holy Oil of God is illegal to manufacture worldwide.
    The Holy Oil is forbidden by the Anti-Christ Churches that call themselves the anointed ones (Christians).
    These false Christians Deny the very word of God that gives all plants as meat.
    These false anointed Churches and their Anti-Christ Governments have made a plant of God illegal.
    They deny themselves the anointing of God and forbid anyone else to receive it.
    How dare they call themselves Christians.

    Now that the Tree of Life (Cannabis) reveals itself as the cure for Cancer you will see these false anointed ones crawling back to very plant they declared evil to save their miserable lives. This after incarcerating the millions before them for the use of this gift of God and the destruction of the millions of lives with their war on cannabis. But they will still turn away from the very anointing that makes them Christians and deny that anointing for everyone else as well.

    Terry Winger
    “The Fire Baptism and the Lost Sacraments”

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