Damned if that woman can’t sing. I’ve caught her a few times in concert. Twice I’ve listened to the end of a song before realizing she had no backup – voice only.
I may disagree with her politics (and I do) – but, she CAN sing.
Kathy Kinsley
And, no – I will not refuse to listen to talent because I disagree with their beliefs. I still like her music. Always will. Because (see link above, too) even liberals get it right sometimes.
Gringo
Yes, she can sing. One time she got it right politically was in condemning the genocide in Cambodia- for which she took a lot of flack from her fellow lefties.
I never got to see her live, unfortunately.
I saw an instructional film in my high school physics class that Joan Baez’s father, a Physics Professor at UC Berkeley, had produced.
Simon
I saw her live at the “Gate of Horn” in Chicago ’62-’63 time frame (winter).
After the show me and my girl (also a Joan) went to eat at a local all night place and Joan (the singer) came in and sat down for a bite. We were thrilled. Not being the gushing types we left her alone.
Note: the Cambodia genocide and the VietNam boat people turned me from the left. In ’88 I voted Ron Paul and my orientation has been libertarian ever since. I did leave the Libertarian Party over 9/11.
Kathy Kinsley
You and I both, Simon. On turning from the left. And the Libertarian party (large L only).
Kathy Kinsley
Also, she gets more attractive the older she gets. (I wish I could do that.) Oh – she may have written it for Dylan, but it could be a theme song for ex-liberals. Diamonds and Rust
“And if you’re offering me diamonds and rust, I’ve already paid.”
Gringo
The genocide in Cambodia was also a turning point for me. I had been a 1-O [Conscientious Objector] during the Vietnam War.
The genocide in Cambodia convinced me that as long as murderous thugs roam this earth, no one has clean hands. Pacifists who stand by while a murderous thug commits a massacre have dirtier hands than the sniper who takes out the thug.
No more Peace Democrat for me after Cambodia. We gave Peace a chance in Cambodia, and got genocide.
Robert
The older I get, the harder it gets to listen to the old protest songs. I’ve simply become too aware politically, and their leftist roots & sympathies are all too visible.
Now I view that whole movement as what Eric Raymond has called “Gramscian damage” or memetic warfare — deliberate destruction aimed at Western culture and life. (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260)
So, just like Peter Paul and Indescribably Delicious, Kingston Trio, Chad Mitchell Trio, and many others of that era, Moanie Joanie has become difficult for me to listen to anymore.
Simon
Robert,
It is one of the reasons I picked this song.
I like the shotguns roaring with each blast. The song is subversive to its own ends.
Simon
And it is a Dylan song. He at least has wised up. “Call me any name you want to I will never deny it.”
Simon
As has David Mamet. Who I used to hang with in another life.
kathy@gardencenternews.com
Not sure Dylan was ever a “liberal” in the modern sense of the term. JFK wasn’t either. Even Dylan’s classic “Blowin’ in the Wind” is questions, not answers. He paid attention.
People who don’t duck the questions can’t really be classified. Yeah, I like Dylan too, even if I never understood how someone who sings worse than I do became that successful. As a songwriter, he shines. As a singer…no.
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Damned if that woman can’t sing. I’ve caught her a few times in concert. Twice I’ve listened to the end of a song before realizing she had no backup – voice only.
I may disagree with her politics (and I do) – but, she CAN sing.
And, no – I will not refuse to listen to talent because I disagree with their beliefs. I still like her music. Always will. Because (see link above, too) even liberals get it right sometimes.
Yes, she can sing. One time she got it right politically was in condemning the genocide in Cambodia- for which she took a lot of flack from her fellow lefties.
I never got to see her live, unfortunately.
I saw an instructional film in my high school physics class that Joan Baez’s father, a Physics Professor at UC Berkeley, had produced.
I saw her live at the “Gate of Horn” in Chicago ’62-’63 time frame (winter).
After the show me and my girl (also a Joan) went to eat at a local all night place and Joan (the singer) came in and sat down for a bite. We were thrilled. Not being the gushing types we left her alone.
Note: the Cambodia genocide and the VietNam boat people turned me from the left. In ’88 I voted Ron Paul and my orientation has been libertarian ever since. I did leave the Libertarian Party over 9/11.
You and I both, Simon. On turning from the left. And the Libertarian party (large L only).
Also, she gets more attractive the older she gets. (I wish I could do that.) Oh – she may have written it for Dylan, but it could be a theme song for ex-liberals.
Diamonds and Rust
“And if you’re offering me diamonds and rust, I’ve already paid.”
The genocide in Cambodia was also a turning point for me. I had been a 1-O [Conscientious Objector] during the Vietnam War.
The genocide in Cambodia convinced me that as long as murderous thugs roam this earth, no one has clean hands. Pacifists who stand by while a murderous thug commits a massacre have dirtier hands than the sniper who takes out the thug.
No more Peace Democrat for me after Cambodia. We gave Peace a chance in Cambodia, and got genocide.
The older I get, the harder it gets to listen to the old protest songs. I’ve simply become too aware politically, and their leftist roots & sympathies are all too visible.
Now I view that whole movement as what Eric Raymond has called “Gramscian damage” or memetic warfare — deliberate destruction aimed at Western culture and life. (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260)
So, just like Peter Paul and Indescribably Delicious, Kingston Trio, Chad Mitchell Trio, and many others of that era, Moanie Joanie has become difficult for me to listen to anymore.
Robert,
It is one of the reasons I picked this song.
I like the shotguns roaring with each blast. The song is subversive to its own ends.
And it is a Dylan song. He at least has wised up. “Call me any name you want to I will never deny it.”
As has David Mamet. Who I used to hang with in another life.
Not sure Dylan was ever a “liberal” in the modern sense of the term. JFK wasn’t either. Even Dylan’s classic “Blowin’ in the Wind” is questions, not answers. He paid attention.
People who don’t duck the questions can’t really be classified. Yeah, I like Dylan too, even if I never understood how someone who sings worse than I do became that successful. As a songwriter, he shines. As a singer…no.
Heh. I mention Dylan and liberals, and Insty links a post that says much the same.
And I quote: “This is a man who will not be pwned, and he has never needed to be told to “Shut up and sing.””
I think Kathy is referring to this Insty link
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/145155/
But I could be wrong.
If you follow the insty link far enough yo do indeed get to here:
http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2012/06/19/are-liberals-the-new-squares/2/
which does take you here:
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/16956-Using-and-abusing-Bob-Dylan.html
Oops – yeah, it was an indirect link. Simon’s got it. Sorry!
It started at Insty…