Sarah Palin says Libya should be declared a no-fly zone.
…Gaddafi is a brutal killer and Libya – not to mention the world – would be better off if he were out of power. Now is the time to speak out. Speak out for the long-suffering Libyan people. Speak out for the victims of Gaddafi’s terror. NATO and our allies should look at establishing a no-fly zone so Libyan air forces cannot continue slaughtering the Libyan people.
You know what the Peacemongers will say:
Damn Warmongers interfering in the internal affairs of other nations. Every nation has the right to kill its own citizens in mass quantities. The Warmongers should stay out and let the slaughter proceed.
I believe that we are witnessing the start of the next world war.
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19 responses to “Palin: Libyans Should Be Protected By Nato”
Ah well…World War IV (Islam versus the West) has been simmering since at least the 6 Day war. The Cold War powers kept the minor backwater Islamic powers in check. A new normal hasn’t established itself yet as the world realigns itself, politically and economically. I don’t doubt this is the next phase in WWIV, but it didn’t just start.
‘lanched!
And I wish I didn’t think you are right, Simon.
ummh, I question using a defensive alliance, NATO, for stablization activities beyond the boundries of their constituent countries. Not to mention you would have Russia screaming bloody murder.
Better an alliance of the willing. Better yet if the US simply had the balls to rubble the government forces in Tripoli without needing political cover.
“ummh, I question using a defensive alliance, NATO, for stablization activities beyond the boundries of their constituent countries. Not to mention you would have Russia screaming bloody murder.”
These comments tear me in two. On the one hand, you make a good point about NATO probably being the wrong tool for the job. On the other, it would be a refreshing change to see Russia get their undies in a twist rather than twisting OUR undies. They aren’t made to scream enough, in my humble opinion.
As for this being the start of the next world war…well…I don’t see it yet, though I suppose it could be. This strikes me as something that while definitely regional, probably won’t go global without at least one more fairly major black swan flying into the mix.
OTOH, if in the course of festivities there is a truly major oil disruption, it may set in motion a sequence of events that will darken the skies with black swans all looking for places to land. So who knows?
>ummh, I question using a defensive alliance, NATO, for stablization activities beyond the boundries of their constituent countries. Not to mention you would have Russia screaming bloody murder.
As James Taranto would say, “Breaking News From 1999.”
Serbia/ Kosovo was never a NATO member state, and Russia did indeed scream about Clinton’s bombing of their Serbian ally. So there’s precedent for using NATO to deter a rogue state from committing democide. (I’m not saying that it would be a good idea, necessarily; I’m just sayin’.)
So remind me again why Biden had better Foreign Policy skills than Palin?
That’s we were told, right?
Good ole Joe “Split Iraq in to thirds” Biden?
I guess if anyone could make Palin look like Churchill, it would be Amtrak Joe.
Simon,
I believe that we are witnessing the start of the next world war.
Care to elaborate?
I’m going to be consistent here. NATO is a mutual defense treaty. The treaty doesn’t authorize NATO to declare war on someone who hadn’t attacked a member nation. On my blog I criticized Bill Clinton’s war on Serbia as a violation of NATO treaty – Serbia’s Kosovo province was not a NATO member nation. Same applies to a hypothetical NATO war on Libya – Libya is not a member of NATO.
Now, if all of NATO’s members want to declare war on Libya (the no-fly zone would be an act of war), they’re free to do that. Just not through NATO – unless they formally change NATO’s charter.
Sarah Palin is correct — and only those NATO countries who are willing to go along with the US should come along.
But yes, the NATO charter should be updated. The UN charter allows a determination of “genocide” and any gov’t is then allowed to stop it.
The US should lead on protecting Muslims.
Again.
Yeah, we need to give the Muslim Brotherhood air cover for their revolution.
Sorry Sarah, you are wrong on this in exactly the way a GWB or other Ruling Class Republican would be wrong. Their culture is one of tyranny, and we can’t prevent the consequences of tyranny from their lives. Each husband is a tyrant over his family and each govt’t employee is a tyrant over his little fiefdom. Let them have their 7th century crapistan.
Frank,
The world system is breaking down. In America:
1. The lower education/union bubble
2. The higher education bubble
3. The real estate bubble
4. Not enough oil production
5. Drug Prohibition is being recognize as a failure
6. Insufficient food production to support the world system.
7. The Green bubble
8. The Democrat party is near a collapse point. Wisconsin is the leading indicator
7. etc
Europe – similar to the above without oil resources plus a Muslim problem.
In the Middle East:
1. Islam is breaking down due to the Internet/cell phones
2. It will not go quietly
3. Muslim Brotherhood etc.
4. Not enough food production
5. Dictators R us
6. etc.
China
1. Food
2. The Jasmine Revolution
3. Internet/cell phones – see Jasmine Revolution
4. One Party rule – like the Democrats in America only worse
India – I’m going to have to study more. Probably much of the above plus an Islam problem going back at least 500 years only partially resolved with the India/Pakistan partition.
No doubt much more.
The world system is breaking down. Much of the old system that we have been carrying is unsupportable. It will be a better system once the old order is gone. The old order will not go without a fight.
Texas is designing a degree system that will cost the student $10,000. I don’t see why the cost shouldn’t be more on the order of $2,000.
The US is well positioned to come out on top of this upheaval. But it will not be pretty here either.
Palin just lost me for good. In Khaddafi vs. the Muslim Brotherhood, f*ck ’em, the west has no dog in this fight. Time to let these cave-people make their own way for themselves.
We in the West should be preparing contingency plans for the coming massacres of assorted Christian and other non-muslim people’s in North Africa. Standing idly by as we give North Africa to the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda has consequences.
Sean,
You are inconsistent. Either we protect everyone or no one. I do not think there is a middle ground. That protection will be the rationale for going after the Muslim Brotherhood.
“I believe that we are witnessing the start of the next world war.”
I believe we’ve been in the next world war since at least the ’93 Trade Center bombing. Maybe as far back as the ’72 Munich massacre. It’s just the enemy is so ignorant and feckless it’s taken this long to get our attention.
The UN charter allows a determination of “genocide” and any gov’t is then allowed to stop it.
The UN is just a noise machine, a glorified vuvuzela.
a vuvuzela is just annoying. The same is not true of the UN. It is dangerous!
I 100% back the Italian Air Force enforcing a Libyan no-fly zone (kinda reminds me of the 1920s). Let Gaddafi slay his subjects the old-fashioned way, like Napoleon with grape shot or Stalin with rifles. No using 20th century innovations!
In for a dime, in for 100,000 lira.
“…some damfool thing in the (middle east).”
Simon: I’d be curious to read more in-depth thoughts/analysis explaining how/why you see this developing as the next world war.
Also, to what event would you peg the beginning? 9/11 perhaps?