In Christophobia I discussed how making the Republican 2012 Campaign for President a religious crusade could be a disaster.
I gave the example of an election campaign for Federal Senator run on that basis. I looked at the numbers in Obama/Keyes vs Kerry/Bush and found that Keyes lost almost 60% of the votes of his own party.
Now I’m wondering if this isn’t an intentional strategy to throw the election to Obama?
If only the Republicans would stick to Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally limited government and Free Markets. Speaking of the Constitution, did anyone notice a Drug Prohibition Amendment?
Cross Posted at Power and Control
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22 responses to “Throwing The Election”
Unless by some miracle the Repubs nominate Ron Paul, religion is going to play a part.
It is a losing strategy. But one that the Republicans can’t see. (The religious right Repubs anyway.)
4 years ago, I said that the Republicans had found a way to get me to vote for Hilary – nominate Huckabee. They are trying to do the same thing with Bachmann and to a lesser extent with Perry.
You know it, I know it and Eric knows it. I can’t believe we need to go into battle with the SoCons. If they would simply worry about their own behavior that would be fine, but they want to legislate our behavior as well.
I have a new term for the Prog SoCons, you may use it.
Neo – Puritans. Want to be shunned? Drowned? Burned?
Neo – Puritans.
you’re sounding a lot like bill keller of the nyt.
also how’s come baracky’s “religion” is given a pass.
I have long advocated an alliance between libertarians and social conservatives. I think that if both can shut up and accept the constitutional limitations — (especially in the 10th Amendment context meaning everyone has to give up something) — it might work.
The devil is in the details, though.
also how’s come baracky’s “religion” is given a pass.
From me?
1. I’m not a Democrat.
2. We were part of the early roasting of ∅ on that topic here at CV. Read my stuff on Trinity United.
3. It is a tough world out there. Deal.
I would LOVE more examples of Christianity and less talk.
Could you please tell me what is Christian about punishing people in pain for their unauthorized use of pain relievers? A little Real Christianity™ on the subject would be welcome. All I see mooted from the Socon Right is: the punishments are insufficient. OK. Maybe crucifixion is in order. That will put and end to the practice. For sure.
IMO the Socon support for Drug Prohibition is equivalent to the Socon support for slavery.
I think I detect a pattern here.
“Could you please tell me what is Christian about punishing people in pain for their unauthorized use of pain relievers? ”
well don’t leave out the lawyers, prison guards union and the state. oh and prison guards union. see wisc.
“IMO the Socon support for Drug Prohibition is equivalent to the Socon support for slavery.”
eff your libtard talking points:
“Abolitionism is a movement to end slavery.
In western Europe and the Americas abolitionism was a movement to end the slave trade and set slaves free. At the behest of Dominican priest Bartolomé de las Casas who was shocked at the treatment of natives in the New World, Spain enacted the first European law abolishing colonial slavery in 1542, although it was not to last (to 1545). In the 17th century, Quaker and evangelical religious groups condemned it as un-Christian; in the 18th century, rationalist thinkers of the Enlightenment criticized it for violating the rights of man. Though anti-slavery sentiments were widespread by the late 18th century, they had little immediate effect on the centers of slavery: the West Indies, South America, and the Southern United States. The Somersett’s case in 1772 that emancipated slaves in England, helped launch the movement to abolish slavery. Pennsylvania passed An Act for the Gradual Abolition of Slavery in 1780. Britain banned the importation of African slaves in its colonies in 1807, and the United States followed in 1808. Britain abolished slavery throughout the British Empire with the Slavery Abolition Act 1833, the French colonies abolished it 15 years later, while slavery in the United States was abolished in 1865 with the 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.”
see wiki
i like simon. one time folks made him pray to a jew and that upset him for life. dude bigger fish to fry.
newrouter,
Um. The Churches in the South Seem to have had a different opinion.
Uh. Dude.
Jews don’t pray to Jews. Or any other person. There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding here.
We consider doing such things sacrilege. However, we are allowed to do it if threatened with death. Which was the usual method in the past.
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Still. The support on the Christian Right for Punishing People in Pain must come from some where.
Now if no one is owning up to it perhaps it is on the way out.
OTOH some one is voting for the politicians who favor this policy.
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OK. Slavery. Where are the Denunciations from the pulpit of the Drug War?
Give me some links. I’m not well informed in that area.
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OTOH some one is voting for the politicians who favor this policy.
That would be pretty much all of them, so naturally we need to blame Christians.
By my radical thinking, an amendment that violates one’s rights to life, liberty and property cannot be constitutional
Therefore, even though ratified, the eighteenth amendment mandating alcohol prohibition was never constitutional, any justice’s arbitrary opinion notwithstanding.
I would have no more respect for a drug prohibition amendment.
Veeshir,
Uh. Supposedly the Churches know something about morality and also speak out on the subject.
Please explain the morality of punishing people who take unauthorized pain relief. And the silence of the churches.
The pope hates dope:
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/214/thepope.shtml
The only legal pain reliever for your illegal pain should be the Church. Pray mofos.
I guess the Pope knows his cash flow:
Catholic church grapples with donations from Mexican cartels
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/03/church-in-mexico-trying-to-confront.html
No Drug War – no donations from Drug Cartels.
I absolutely understand, it’s nearly all politicians not named “Ron Paul”, so we need to blame Christians.
I’m not arguing with you, I’m agreeing.
Oh, please don’t use Alan Keyes vs. Barack Obama as an example. That election was such an aberration. The R nominee (Jack Ryan), who was not particularly religious, resigned in view of the Chicago Tribune’s desire to splash all of the details of his divorce with the actress Jeri Ryan all over the news. At the time, Ryan was down at 30% in the polls. Keyes was pegged at the last minute; was a horrible candidate; and the local media was all too happy to portray him as a carpetbagging loon. If only the Illinois GOP establishment hadn’t irritated the crap out of Peter Fitzgerald so much, we might not have President Parack Obama today…
Deeg,
I was there for that one. Voted for the Communist. With open eyes.
Why? Well Keyes’ religious message annoyed me to no end. And the fact that he disowned his gay daughter (things may have changed since then – I haven’t kept up) during the election season.
Yeah. The religious stuff wasn’t all that was wrong with Keyes. It didn’t help.
BTW my State Senator Dave Syverson was the guy who pushed Keyes. Both staunch Social Conservatives.
I was there for that one. Voted for the Communist. With open eyes.
It’s terrible when the lesser of two evils is still a MOFO. I’m afraid that will be our option next year. Neither of the likely Republicans, Romney or Perry, are close to being libertarian. Romney just sways with the wind, and Perry believes in forced medication. What a choice!
Any hope for Palin at this point?
Frank,
All eyes are on Sept 3rd at this point.
I don’t know how long she can wait but if she is not in by the beginning of November (Reagan announced) I’d count her out this round.
Here is something tht might interest you and you can look around the site for more:
http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/08/some-of-you-tea-party-folk-think-rick-perrys-the-answer.html