“America’s gun crisis” cries out for laws!

A lot of people are talking about the murder of an Australian baseball player by three feral teens in Oklahoma.

[Chancey Luna, 16 ], the alleged shooter of a .22 calibre revolver, and Edwards, an alleged passenger in the Focus, were both charged with first-degree murder and face life in prison without parole if convicted. They were both refused bail.

Jones, the alleged driver, was charged with using a vehicle to facilitate the discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact of murder in the first degree.

He faces a maximum 45-year sentence.

Bail for Jones, who is assisting prosecutors and police, was set at $US1 million ($A1.1 million).

The three will be tried as adults.

(Via Glenn Reynolds.)

In the comments, pompous British CNN host Piers Morgan offers a brilliant and insightful utterance:

When an innocent Australian student is shot dead in Oklahoma for ‘fun’ – America’s gun crisis becomes the world’s problem.

Every attempt is being made to frame the story as an argument for gun control –including a call to boycott tourism in the United States.

Naturally, the NRA is to blame:

“This is the bitter harvest and legacy of the policies of the NRA (National Rifle Association) that even blocked background checks for people buying guns at gun shows. I am deeply angry about this because of the callous attitude of the three teenagers.

Hmmm…. What sort of laws are needed? I know! Since The murder weapon was a .22 revolver fired from a car by a 16 year old, how about making it illegal for minors — especially minors with criminal records — to possess firearms?

Nah, scratch that. They already have such laws. In Oklahoma it is a crime for a minor to possess a handgun, and if the minor is an adjudicated delinquent or is under court supervision, it is also a crime for him have a handgun — either at his residence or in a vehicle.

It is unlawful for any person under 18 years of age to possess any weapon, except rifles or shotguns used in education, hunting, or sport.  Any firearm confiscated from a person under 18 by law enforcement upon arrest or detainment is subject to forfeiture.

It is unlawful for a felon to possess any firearm or to have a firearm in any vehicle.  This same prohibition applies to anyone adjudicated a delinquent child for an offense which would have constituted a felony if committed by an adult, for ten years after such adjudication.

It is unlawful for any person under the supervision of the Department of Corrections to possess or control a firearm, or have one in any vehicle or residence      It is unlawful for any unauthorized person to possess a firearm on any school property or vehicle, except for education, hunting, or sport, and those firearms legally carried in a vehicle, provided the vehicle transports a student to or from school and does not remain on school property.

Moreover, it is illegal to carry a firearm without a Concealed Carry License:

It is unlawful for any person, except for peace officers on duty, to carry a firearm upon or about his person, or in any container, except for purposes of hunting, fishing, education or recreation or by a valid Concealed Carry License (“CCL”).

None of the accused would even be eligible for a CCL, as applicants have to be 21.

So, there were plenty of gun control laws already in place, and we can see how well they worked.

Sigh.

I guess I should be glad at least that no one in any position of responsibility will be arguing that if the president had had a son, he would have looked like Chauncey Luna.

(My insincerest apologies if I sounded, um, counterTrayvonistic.)


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8 responses to ““America’s gun crisis” cries out for laws!”

  1. Sigivald Avatar
    Sigivald

    This is the bitter harvest and legacy of the policies of the NRA that even blocked background checks for people buying guns at gun shows.

    It’ll be amusing when the gun’s origin comes out, and it turns out the kid didn’t get it at a gun show (as is almost certainly the case*).

    I’d bet a dollar – Terry Pratchett style – that the gun was acquired on the street, completely illegally, in a way that no background check requirement would ever have impeded.

    (* Private sellers at gun shows, in my experience, don’t like going to prison, and will demand to see your ID if you look like you might be a minor, before selling you a firearm.)

  2. captain* arizona Avatar
    captain* arizona

    hey gunners how do you like it that nra was registering your gun! even those who are not nra members for fear of that nra member registration list the nra registered you too! while telling everyone gun registration is bad and leads to gun confiscation as the government can get the list any time it wants! as usual pro gun fools get fooled again!

  3. Alan Kellogg Avatar

    Weren’t they kids? Didn’t they have adults in charge of them? Why aren’t those adults being charged as contributing to the delinquency of minors?

  4. Alphonse Avatar
    Alphonse

    Aren’t there pictures of dead kids you need to look at captain?

  5. captain* arizona Avatar
    captain* arizona

    looking after kids? in arizona hundreds of mothers are rotting in the sheriff’s gulag for the crime of trying to feed there families! as undocumented they are not allowed bale but must rot in jail until trial. when the sheriff was asked what had happened to these womens children most of which are very young he said he did not know and reporter should ask county welfare. when reporter ask spokesperson he was told county doesn’t have enough money to help american homeless children as they are in the thousands let alone hundreds of illegial alien children!

  6. Sigivald Avatar
    Sigivald

    Captain: NRA doesn’t register anyone’s guns.

    It did buy mailing lists from magazines and from people who took NRA training classes.

    O NOES!

    See, I read a lot of gun blogs. By people who hate the very idea of gun registration.

    Know what? None of them so far are either surprised or angered that the NRA bought magazine mailing lists or noted the addresses of its own customers from NRA-certified training.

    Because it should not surprise anyone at all, ever.

    Turns out “subscribed to Guns and Ammo” or “took a class” does not tell the government that you own any particular gun, which is the issue with “registration” schemes.

    Having to register individual guns gives a future naughty state a list of things to confiscate.

    Having a list of names of people who Probably Own(ed) A Firearm Of Some Sort turns out to actually be different – because it doesn’t tell you what guns they might be.

    Nobody can come to your house demanding you hand over “some unknown quantity and type of guns OR ELSE”, you see, because that doesn’t really work; when you say “I was thinking of buying one but didn’t”, they got nothing. Or, “yeah, I owned one then, but sold it when the laws got hostile”.

    Of course, you’re (I hope – the alternative is worse, for you) a troll so this won’t matter to you – but in case any sensible person thinks you have any grain of truth there… you don’t.

  7. captain* arizona Avatar
    captain* arizona

    you forgot gun shows and public lists of gun buyers and ammo buyers and are hiding their other data mining operations also you ever here of probable cause to get search warrant lying to police is felony and using your communist fith amendment rights won’t save you as what you call the evil police state will simply arrest you as enemy combatant and terrorist! thanks to republican sponsored patriot act that can now be used against you conservatives! and by the way the internet is the television screen that watches YOU! nsa has all that we type and can use it against you at thre-education camp! also I am pro-second amendment lefty to many conservatives need shooting for me to support gun controll which by the way is not aimed at ignorant southern white trash but at minorities! not the criminals but at minorities who would like to chase drug dealers out but don’t have the fire power that the corporate establishment gives the criminals!