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October 27, 2008
No explanation possible. No explanation needed.
I love this explanation of the tax code which has been floating around for several years: Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:The author is listed as a distinguished professor, and one of those typical concluding witticisms follows: Now, I really enjoy the anecdote, and so do a lot of people. The problem is, it wasn't written by Economics professor David R. Kamerschen. Nor was it written by "T. Davies" (another professor whose name accompanies it in some of the email's variant versions). According to Snopes, not even the supposed "original author" can be verified. So does authorship matter? I think it does. And I say this at the risk of being overly concerned with truth and facts: Using stuff like truth and facts is so passe and reeks of a bourgeois attitude.So said favorite commenter Veeshir. (To which Assistant Village Idiot admitted he didn't have a good counterargument.) For the record, I plead guilty. I'm a hopeless bourgeois sentimentalizer who sympathies often, um, lie with the, um, truth. Yet if I didn't think truth and facts mattered, I might run afoul of one of my newer (and, I think, temporary) commenters, like this one who worries about the impact of honesty on the very "classical values" I'm supposed to be championing here! Does it bother any of you that Joe the Plumber lied about the whole thing, or is that not part of the equation? Moreover, all the info released is a matter of public record, so...Egad! Leave it to a new commenter to discover my own values for me and throw them in my face! At this rate, I'll soon be accused of deviating from the "traditional" -- the very thing I thought I was satirizing years ago with a playful reference to the ancients in a blog title! So I better be very careful here lest my bourgeois classicism become as passe as the ancients! I still think the parable in question is helpful and amusing, and because of its nature, I don't think it especially matters who wrote it. Interestingly, the people who have attempted to beef it up with fake scholastic attributions only weakened its appeal, by allowing it to become tainted as "another Internet hoax." I like it the way it is. (But I'm thinking that right now I might like it more if it had been written by Joe the Plumber....) posted by Eric on 10.27.08 at 02:13 PM
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I don't think it especially matters who wrote it. It doesn't matter in the slightest who wrote it. That has no bearing on its truth or falsehood. The people who think it matters are the same sort of people who think it matters that "Joe" is Joe's middle name. tim maguire · October 27, 2008 02:57 PM Ad hominem logical fallacies are also not a classical value. Ask Aristotle. Amos · October 27, 2008 03:45 PM Its validity does not depend on who wrote it, so a false attribution does not defeat it. Yet false attribution does matter. Does anyone remember the famous "bee quote" falsely attributed to Einstein? http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2007/04/on_misattributi.html if bees were to disappear, man would only have a few years to live...Even though Einstein is irrelevant to the truth of that statement, and even though he was no expert on bees, whether he said it or not still mattered. It has more to do with historical accuracy than the ad hominem logical fallacy. Anonymous · October 27, 2008 04:09 PM So, in the little parable, all the men get the same amount and quality of beer (or meal, depending on which chain email you use) and pay wildly different amounts. That *doesn't* seem fair, does it? But...if the tenth man had a beer 100 times as big as the other nine men, had it served to him on a golden platter, and pissed in the beer of the other nine men, the parable breaks down a bit, wouldn't you agree? Dr. Nobel Dynamite · October 27, 2008 04:32 PM Not new. I doubt if anyone living wrote the story. Humor about social tiers, wealth, and socialism was well explored by 1900. I have heard stories much like the ten men and the beers for six decades. K · October 27, 2008 04:51 PM Would it break down, Dr.Nobel? The guy with the beer 100 times larger than his nine drinking buds would know that while he is pissing in all nine drinks, they all still have 91 bottles to share that have not been pissed in. Frankly, I think most drinking buddies would be well satisfied with nine beers each. Don't you? Penny · October 27, 2008 08:26 PM The historical accuracy matters only in what Obama believes. Historical accuracy as to Joe's position in society is irrelevant. Obama believed he was as he stated, and spoke accordingly. Imagine if Joe was everything he said, but posed as just a poor workin' slob. Would Obama's position have been different? If anything it would have been more stridently leftist. How do the facts about Joe change what Obama would have said? Let's say Joe didn't lie. Obama is still a Socialist. Let's say that a different person who was in exactly the position Joe says he was asked the question. Would Obama's answer be different? How? Why? Clearly it wouldn't. The point of attacks on Joe is to draw attention away from Obama. amos · October 27, 2008 09:40 PM I saw this Sowell piece linked at Protein Wisdom and this quote seemed to fit with this discussion Veeshir · October 28, 2008 03:25 PM "But...if the tenth man had a beer 100 times as big as the other nine men, had it served to him on a golden platter, and pissed in the beer of the other nine men, the parable breaks down a bit, wouldn't you agree?" But...you don't get to make stuff up. It's a simple math problem. Take it as is, without imagined nuance, perceived possibilities or "buts". If I shopped for a pair of blue shoes to match a blue dress and said I found one pair at half the price of the other and bought them, I will have made a good deal? Right? You would then argue, "But...if the shade of blue wasn't quite the same as the dress, you will have wasted your money and your story would not be so great, wouldn't you agree?" When you inject "buts" and "ifs" anything can be different. Oyster · October 29, 2008 08:57 AM Oyster "But...you don't get to make stuff up." Of course I do. It's a made-up scenario that purports to be a good metaphor for "how our tax system works." My point is that the metaphor is not only simplistic but misleading because it assumes that all ten men are receiving the same benefit. Dr. Nobel Dynamite · October 29, 2008 12:21 PM Post a comment
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That's the McCain plan. Under the Obama plan, the eighth and tenth guy would pay even more and the first four or five will get paid to drink beer.
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