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May 05, 2008
"Exhibit No. 1"
The murder of a Philadelphia police officer during a bank robbery continues to dominate the front page of the Inquirer. As it turns out, all three of the robber/murderers are convicted robbers who have served time. From today's account: Police charged a journeyman boxer with murder and issued a warrant yesterday for an alleged accomplice in connection with the "assassination" of Philadelphia Police Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski on Saturday after a bank heist by three ex-cons.Convicted robbers who had all served time? Shouldn't there be a law prohibiting such people from having guns? Yeah, there is. Merely by having the guns, the trio committed a serious gun crime which would have sent them all back to the slammer. I'm wondering, is it possible that armed robbers don't follow gun control laws? While I'm glad to see the criminal histories of these killers reported, as might be expected, its the Gun That Did It which really gets top billing. Here's today's front page: Since I posted about this yesterday, the perps have been identified and several details have changed, but the gun is obviously the most important aspect of the case, it's picture dominating the page. But it is no longer an "AK-47." Now it's described as "a Chinese SKS assault rifle," which "assassinated" the officer because it penetrates vehicles: "That officer was assassinated on the streets of Philadelphia," Mayor Nutter said in an interview yesterday. "There was nothing that could have protected him - that weapon penetrates vehicles."I don't know whether the revolver was a .44 magnum but those rounds also penetrate car doors. Many bullets do. Interestingly, yesterday Mayor Nutter called the killing "senseless," while today it's an "assassination." Are assassinations senseless? Whatever. The most important aspect of the case, according to the Inquirer, will be the gun, which would have been banned under Mayor Nutter's illegal and unconstitutional gun laws: The slaying also is likely to become Exhibit No. 1 in the city's effort to adopt stricter gun laws. One of several laws that Nutter signed last month in defiance of the state legislature bans the kind of weapon used to kill Liczbinski. The city's ability to enact its own gun laws is the subject of a lawsuit against the state.How does this SKS rifle make the case for stricter gun laws? Did Mayor Nutter's ban work? Or, to be fair to him (because his laws are illegal) lets assume that the state legislature had done what he wanted, and amended state law to allow Mayor Nutter's ban on "assault weapons." Would these three career criminals have given it even the slightest passing thought? If someone can explain to me how that law would in any way have deterred these career criminals from getting this gun (or any other gun capable of killing a police officer) I'm all ears. MORE: Not that anyone in the gun-banning community would care, but the SKS is not an assault weapon, nor was it designed as one. From the Wiki entry: The SKS has a conventional carbine layout, with a wooden stock and no pistol grip. Most versions are fitted with an integral folding bayonet which hinges down from the end of the barrel, and some versions, such as the Yugoslavian-made M59/66 variant, are equipped with a grenade launching attachment. As with the American M1 Carbine, the SKS is shorter and less powerful than the semi-automatic rifles which preceded it -- most notably, the Soviet SVT series and the American M1 Garand. Contrary to popular belief it is not a modern assault rifle. This is because it does not meet all of the criteria of a true assault rifle, though there are some variants that fall closer to the definition. It does not possess the capability for selective fire, and the basic design does not possess a removable magazine. Some selective-fire variants were produced in the PRC; however, the basic design of the SKS is semi-automatic in nature. The carbine's ten-round box magazine is fed from a stripper clip (see below), and rounds stored in the magazine can be removed by depressing a magazine catch (thus opening the "floor" of the magazine and allowing the rounds to fall out) located forward of the trigger guard.Assuming the SKS used in the murder looks like the one in the picture displayed by Commissioner Ramsey (described as having "apparently jammed with 25 of 30 rounds unspent"), that would mean that it was converted to accept a larger, after-market magazine. Such conversions (whether legal or not) tend not to work out, as the gun was not designed that way. Hence, they have a propensity to jam. From an SKS FAQ site: Myth #8 -- "The SKS uses high capacity magazines."In other words, adding the high-capacity magazine was a tactically stupid thing for these criminals to do. Which confirms the suspicion voiced by commenter dr kill yesterday: Could'nt be an AK. They never jam.But we need to ban them all anyway. That way, criminals won't have them. Besides, it might just as well have been an AK. Right? MORE: Astoundingly, Mayor Nutter stated that the NRA should apologize for the murder! "I think it's insane," Nutter said. "The fact that we put forward a piece of legislation to prevent the sale and use and transfer of assault weapons and have a Philadelphia police officer assaulted on the streets with one, I think makes it pretty clear to anyone who is confused about this issue that there's no reason for any citizen, any person other than in law enforcement or in the military to have such a weapon."(Via Scott Kirwin.) According to Nutter's logic, because an officer was shot by career criminals with an "assault weapon" the criminals already weren't allowed to have, that means law-abiding citizens should not be allowed have them either (even though the weapon used was not an "assault weapon"). (In his mind, if criminals shoot cops, that means citizens shouldn't have guns.) And if you don't agree with Nutter, you're "confused." posted by Eric on 05.05.08 at 08:13 AM
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The revolver was described as "fully loaded with 5 rounds." That'd make it a Charter Arms Bulldog, or similar, which is a .44 Special, not a Magnum. Of course, there are lots of knockoffs out there, so the description of it being a 5-shot revolver is not by itself consclusive. M. Murcek · May 5, 2008 11:34 AM Murcek: Taurus Trackers are also available in a 5 round .44 magnum configuration. (You mentioned knockoffs, of course, but I don't think the Tracker in .44 Magnum is a knockoff of the classic Bulldog .44 Special...) Eric: Not only will a .44 go right through a car door, as the Box o' Truth demonstrated, pretty much any cartridge will - even a .22, though they have a little trouble with a laminated front windshield. Sigivald · May 5, 2008 03:41 PM Prediction -- these individuals will Mumia this and never really be punished. Mark E · May 5, 2008 06:57 PM When I opened Philadelphia News on line this morning and saw that big picture of Ramsey with "the gun" and a teeny tiny picture of one of the perps in the background, I thought about you, Eric. The powers that be have an agenda, and they utilized the unfortunate death of this cop to further that agenda. That picture was worth a thousand words from either Nutter or Ramsey on the topic of gun control. Penny · May 5, 2008 08:17 PM All correct. There is no particular attempt to give a clearer understanding of the crime, just an opportunity to put a bad gun on the front page to reinforce the CW that it's all caused by having guns around. Assistant Village Idiot · May 6, 2008 10:11 AM |
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