Climate science can make valid prouncements about lots of things, including today's gloabl temperature anomaly to well within 1`K

This despite Steve McIntyre's unpublished opus.

Boris,

The Climate "Scientists" claim 0.1 deg K for the Global temp.

Now look at Titusville and tell me how they manage to get within 1 deg K of TODAYS temp.

I meant EXACTLY what I said.

Why don't you admit your racism and move on? You know that Global Warming is going to cause war, it's going to create famine and disease and you know it's going to cause my grandchildren to have an overbite. Why not end your "skeptical" denial and admit that whether or not Global Warming is a concern we have to start doing something today, before it's too late? We need to take action!

And that's why Vice-President Gore won the Nobel Prize and you're just a denier.

Sorry about your grand children's overbite.

However, if we get global cooling their teeth will crack from eating ice cubes. Some centuries you just can't win.

Climate Audit is one of the few "skeptic" blogs I consider valid. The climate science community needs external critics in order to keep it on the straight and level. McIntyre's recent finding of the error in Hansen's North American temperature data, for example.

But I also think you're grasping at straws. I used to be a strong a skeptic as you are, but no longer. And I'm not even looking at models. I'm looking at empirical examples like this year's record low arctic sea ice, and the overall downward trend since the 50s. Not to mention the physical properties of CO2 itself.

Look, I do think that there are groups that have trumped up the threat (James Lovelock and Hansen himself). And that modern environmentalism has taken on a quasi-religious taint. But getting off the oil teat will pay huge dividends in energy security as well. If you can't support shifting our energy sources for climate reasons, surely energy security is just as good.

You know, I anger liberals by advocating free market solutions and other conservatives by disagreeing with them on the science.

Cervus,

I've come full circle. I was a sceptic. Then I became a believer (around '98). Now I'm back into the sceptic column.

I think we are headed for a Little Ice Age. So far the data is proving me correct. The solar scientists are predicting this. I blogged it here.

The Solar Conveyor Has Slowed

The arctic ice is explained by unusual flow patterns in the Arctic sea. The Antarctic ice has reached record proportions.

Also blogged here:

Wind Power

As to what to do? Nothing. Let the world economy grow at the fastest rate possible is the best amelioration scheme.

"I think we are headed for a Little Ice Age. So far the data is proving me correct."

Oh, so the data that you don't trust are proving you correct? And what data shows we're going into a little ice age? The steep decline in arctic ice? Sea level rise (which includes thermal expansion)?

AS for Titusville, microsite issues are adjusted for and the satellite record shows remarkable agreement with the surface network, both for the globe and for the US lower 48.

"The arctic ice is explained by unusual flow patterns in the Arctic sea. The Antarctic ice has reached record proportions."

Yes, the antarctic did set a record, besting the old record by .7%. Meanwhile, the arctic minimum beat the old record by 27%. Moreover, there is no statistically significant trend in the antarctic, but the arctic downward trend is significant.

Please stop twisting the science.

Boris,

It seems like the record you trust shows the SH cooling.

What ever happened to Global warming?

BTW Boris what is the correction factor for Titusville?

How is it determined?

I'll bet your answer is: it doesn't matter.

About 80% of the stations in the USA - the best weather network in the world - are in the Titusville category.

And then there is that little old divergence problem.

Note: SH stands for Southern Hemisphere.

BTW the data I was referring to re: solar is sun spot data.

There seems to be a rather good correlation between that and climate. See Maunder Minimum. Or try Dalton Minimum.

The SH isn't cooling at all, it just warms more slowly because it's mostly water.

If you want to know how homogeneity adjustments are calculated you should read Hansen's papers.

Well yes. Hansen's papers.

It would be nice if he did it the way real science is done. Release ALL his actual code and ALL the data he used. For purposes of replication of his results and to make checking his results easier.

He has finally released SOME and for that I commend him.

BTW what do you think of his Enron ties?

So you are unable personally to tell me what the correction factor of Titusville is?

I was under the impression that you were an expert.

I'm merely an interested amateur.

So tell me how do you fix a mess like Titusville?

BTW if you follow surfacestations.org by Anthony Watts you find that something like 80% of the stations surveyed so far are in the Titusville category.

Please explain to the lay public here how you fix Titusville. Like say suppose the tanks get an influx of warm water in winter. How do you correct for that?

I'm no expert, but sites are adjusted to other nearby rural sites.

Here's some explanation:

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/30/surface-stations/#more-324

Ah yes. Tamino.

Did you know that sites up to 600 mi away are used for the adjustment? With the amount of adjustment declining by distance?

In addition since the environment is different at every "bad" site a universal adjustment procedure makes no sense. The adjustment would have to reflect the situation at each site. This is not done.

If you would like a critique of Tamino's work you can find it at Climate Audit - Tamino. Especially check the comments.

Please also note that the method of adjustment is not public.

Climate scientists need to release the code and the data. ALL the code. ALL the data. So their work can be replicated as would be done in real science. Evidently climate "science" is different.

If Enron was behaving this way you might suspect them of cooking the books.

If you are just going to blindly believe the comments in Climate Audit, don't let me stop you.