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September 08, 2007
homeless veterans are everywhere, but who's counting?
"Hey man, would you help a homeless veteran?" Have you ever been asked that question? I have, and sometimes crosses my mind that the guy who's asking might not be homeless. However, I'm not about to demand that every panhandler claiming to be a veteran show me his discharge papers. Besides, I don't like to give money to people if I think they're going to blow it on booze or something. Not that I'm against drinking or anything, but if I'm going to buy someone a drink, I'd rather it be a friend, not a stranger who might be suffering from alcoholism. Don't get me wrong. I think that because they have served their country in ways most of us don't, helping homeless veterans is a good idea. In fact, to the extent veterans are homeless, I think they are more deserving than other homeless people. I have noticed that a lot of homeless people claim to be veterans, though, and I'm wondering how carefully the agencies that help them verify that they are in fact veterans. Do they verify anything, or do they just take them at their word? In that regard, I found a taxpayer-funded scientific study titled "Health Care of Homeless Veterans -- Why Are Some Individuals Falling Through the Safety Net?" Considering the title, it's not surprising that the study concluded that homeless veterans are in fact falling through the safety net. But what especially disturbed me was a statement made almost in passing in the conclusion: There are several limitations to consider when interpreting these findings. First, the data are self-reported and not validated by any collaborating sources. It is possible that respondents underreported the amount of care they were receiving at the VA or overreported their VA eligibility. We did not verify veteran status, including whether they had an honorable or dishonorable discharge from the service. Given the paucity of veteran women in our sample, we only report on male veterans and our results cannot be assumed to apply to women also. Finally, the data presented are on an urban homeless population and cannot be generalized to suburban or rural settings.Remember, this is a government-funded scientific study. Of homeless veterans! And the scientists can't even bother to identify whether they are in fact homeless veterans? What could possibly be going on? With that in mind, what assumptions might I make about this story in today's Inquirer? The 200 or so men and women encamped for the weekend in field tents at the National Guard Armory in Northeast Philadelphia have two things in common:I keep reading about the high percentage of homeless veterans, and I've read numerous individual reported interviews with the veterans, as well as many accounts by homeless advocates who stress that there are hundreds of thousands of homeless veterans living on the street at any time. Should I just assume all the recitals are true? How can I be sure? Did the reporters check discharge certificates? If they didn't, did anybody? What is the difference between a guy telling a reporter he's homeless and the same guy telling me he's homeless as I walk down the street? Are strangers who might have an interest in not telling the truth simply being taken at their word? This isn't a question of not having a heart. It's a basic issue of honesty. And concern for homeless veterans. It strikes me that if the goal is to target homeless veterans specifically for help, out of respect for the veterans someone ought to make absolutely sure that they're not lumping them in with lying con artists. (Yes, I think someone who claims to be a veteran who is not, simply to get something to which he is not entitled, is just about the lowest form of scum imaginable.) So, when I read that government scientists make pronouncements about homeless veterans without verifying their status, I figure, why wouldn't reporters do the same thing? For that matter, why not the bureaucrats? I don't know how typical this is, but the State of California Department of Veterans Affairs provides the following list of homeless veterans rights under the food stamp program: According to the National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty (NLCHP), homeless veterans have the same rights under the food stamp program as people who are housed. NLCHP advises that homeless veterans have additional rights, listed below, based on their homeless status:I don't see anything there about verifying veteran status. Unless I am misreading the rules, what the above means is that a simple recital of homeless veteran status bypasses several rules, including the need to show a place to cook food as well as a need for photo ID. Human nature being what it is, such a system would only encourage homeless people to just say they're veterans. Unless, of course, there is an honor system along the lines of "homeless veterans would never lie about their veteran status." OK, I'm enough of a bleeding heart to go along with that. So let's give the homeless vets the benefit of the doubt. But even if we do assume that homeless veterans would never lie, what about dishonest homeless people who claim to be vets? Sorry, but I can't go along with the notion that homeless people would never lie. And lying about veteran status is pretty low. Actually, it's been made a crime in Washington state, and while Ihaven't read the law, punishing fake veterans is not a new idea. In ancient Rome the imposters were (according to this site) sent to die in the arena: What percentage of beggars claiming to be Vietnam veterans are fakes? Nearly all of them. According to a survey by the Vietnam Veterans of America, over 90% of street beggars claiming to be Vietnam veterans are fakes.No, I'm not advocating that. But criminal penalties aside, you'd think the dispensers of bureaucratic largesse would be able to practice what Ronald Reagan called "trust but verify." posted by Eric on 09.08.07 at 06:45 PM
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I didn't know you were a veteran. You are to be commended simply for that. I can see how a bureaucratic Catch-22 might have developed because of good intentions, and very likely with bipartisan support. The argument being that it's unduly burdensome to throw paperwork at veterans who've served their country, therefore no veteran shouild have to go through the rigmarole of having to identify himself. But if they are exempted from identification requirements, it becomes impossible to identify them, and unlawful to demand that they identify themselves. I'm not sure making it a crime to falsely claim veteran status will solve the problem. Eric Scheie · September 9, 2007 06:19 PM Ask them rank at discharge, serial number, unit and commanding officer. If they fumble for an answer their fraud is exposed. If they tell you they were in Team Six and the details are classified, they're full of sh!t. triticale · September 10, 2007 12:07 AM Ask them their primary MOS. The correct answer will be a number... which genuine veterans will know. (The Air Force version is an AFSC; mine was 791X1) Sgt. Mom · September 10, 2007 08:51 AM Some years ago, somebody investigated numerous claims of homeless Vietnam vets and found none of them to be true. I believe the book was Stolen Valor by B. G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley. pst314 · September 10, 2007 01:16 PM Ditto Stolen Valor. The vast majority of real veterans are not homeless and in fact have more successful lives than average, and the vast majority of homeless people have never had any military service whatsoever. (And a significant number of people in the VA medical system never have either.) (Full disclosure: Jug Burkett has been a client of the law firm where I work. May still be, not sure.) Phelps · September 10, 2007 03:20 PM The homeless vet agencies only want to convert the homeless vet to their 12 step religion and keep them homeless forever. Homeless vets are POOR! They need real job training,not resume classes for min-wage dead-end jobs! They need real housing not filled to capcity rooms with bunk beds and shared group showers. And most important: Stay out of their personal business! And if a guy wants a beer after a lond hard day at day labor he does not need years of detox crap! August · September 20, 2007 02:28 PM Right on Stan. All the talk about is how all the vets are mental and addicted; they are not. Very few are even close. You are right- if the vets drink a beer they are required to get years of therapy from the VA to get a lousy shelter bed. I had a beer last night and I'm not homeless. My neighbor is a complete drunk and druggie, he's not homeless (lived in his home for 32 years). My uncle drank himself to death and he was not ever homeless and on his death bed he said he would not of changed a thing in his life because he liked to party. All the crazy people in the state hospital are not home less because they are funded. So it really comes down to poverty! Stan · September 20, 2007 02:38 PM Post a comment
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As a veteran, I take offense at someone claiming to have served, when in fact they did not. I suppose I should scan in and post my DD-214 (discharge form)(honorable :-). In fact, I suppose I should scan in all such records, in case of fire or flood.
Anyway, the laxness of the Nanny State, in our leaders' political eagerness to help everyone and the bureaucrat's natural laziness, translates into a nice opportunity for waste to creep in at the edges.