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August 30, 2007
visualizing whorled gays
As if we needed any further proof that left-wing gay activists hate gay privacy, a friend just sent me a link to a story about the gay whorled, and the gay indexed. Activists are desperate to discover some sort of identifying feature which they can use to confirm their rather ridiculous notion that all gays are born gay, and that therefore sexual preference is akin to race and not a matter of personal freedom. Accordingly, they assert that there are certain gay physical characteristics, and provide the following list (presumably for use as a home "gay test"kit): 1. Gay men are more likely than straight men to have a counterclockwise hair whorl on the back of their heads."Honey, I tested the kids, and they're all gay!" (Larry Craig, I guess, should consider himself lucky he's bald.) I'm not sure whether to dignify this with serious comment, or leave it as a joke for peope to play with, but when I read the underlying "scientific data" in New York Magazine, I saw much speculation, and not a lot of proof: Richard Lippa, a psychologist from California State University at Fullerton, is one of the leading cataloguers of the many ways in which gay people are different. I caught up with him a few weeks ago at a booth at the Long Beach Pride Festival in Southern California, where he was researching another hypothesis--that the hair-whorl patterns on gay heads are more likely to go counterclockwise. If true, it will be one more clue to our biological uniqueness.Hair whorling to the left (counterclockwise) is generally associated with left-handedness, which is also associated with homosexuality. The problem is that the vast majority of gays are right-handed, and right whorled -- and the heterosexual left-whorled men outnumber the homosexual left-whorled men by a huge ratio. (Meaning that looking at someone's whorl will reveal nearly nothing.) Even assuming that some unbiased group of scientists somewhere used the proper methodology, there is nothing about a higher percentage of left whorls which suggests gays are all born that way. The problem with most of the studies and most of the arguments I've seen is that they're assuming that "born that way" or "not born that way" is an argument which applies to an entire population. I think it's quite likely that some gays are born gay, but the shrill insistence that all are on one side versus none are on the other is just silly, as well as completely unscientific. This remark by another psychologist is typical: "We're reaching a consensus on a broad question," says J. Michael Bailey, a psychologist at Northwestern University. Is sexual orientation "something we're born with or something we largely acquire through social experience? The answer is clear. It's something we're born with."It's obvious that to Bailey "we" means not some, but all. Maybe he thinks that "consensus" can be achieved by whoever screams the loudest that theories to the contrary are "homophobic." Regarding the fingers, the evidence is inconclusive. A study cited by CNN found that while there appeared to be a correlation with lesbian fingers, "the pattern for men was more complicated. There did not appear to be a direct relationship between finger length and sexual orientation." A UC Davis pscyhologist calls even the lesbian finger ratios an oversimplifcation: ....University of California Davis psychologist Gregory Herick says using finger ratios as a biological explanation for lesbianism is an over simplification.That's what I keep saying. They may find what appears to be correlation here and there, with this detail or that detail, but isn't it entirely possible that any such findings might only apply to the "born that way" group? I have never doubted for a moment that there is a "born that way" group. But if we assume that there is, does that invest them with any particular moral authority over the rest of the so-called "gay community"? I put it in quotes because isn't a community at all, but a diverse collection of people with nothing in common except a sexual interest in members of the same sex. For that crime, they were once persecuted and had their privacy invaded; now they're having their privacy invaded for the crassest political reasons by people who are contaminating science with identity politics.
This puts me in with the straight majority, the gay majority, and probably the bi majority -- although psychologist Michael Bailey says there is no such thing as male bisexuality. (It would not surprise me if he thinks bisexuals are gays who live "in the closet." Most of them are, because they can't "come out." At least, not as bisexuals, for if they did that, they'd still be "in the closet" according to him, wouldn't they? Anything that negates his theories indicates the presence of a "closet" -- which is an emergent form of immorality. Who knows? Maybe there's a "closet gene" which hides itself from researchers.) posted by Eric on 08.30.07 at 09:54 PM
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That NY Mag article was annoying, but this is the one that just left me speechless: http://nymag.com/news/features/34985/index.html He has sex with men, that means he's gay. He has (and enjoys) sex with his wife, that means he's lying to himself. My brain exploded. jason · August 30, 2007 10:57 PM There did not appear to be a direct relationship between finger length and sexual orientation. Only that strange usage of the word "orientation" makes that sentence not Victorian. But somehow it makes it even more so. Anti-Chirognomy League · August 30, 2007 11:37 PM As I always say, for something so vital to our function as humans as sexuality not to have a biological component makes no sense. On the other hand, it's a trait without any possible genetic advantage. Socrates · August 31, 2007 12:29 AM Socrates: if a behaviour had no advantage at all, it probably wouldn't exist, at least not for long. So homosexuality, or something genetically related to homosexuality, is clearly a useful trait in human society, even if it has the implication of reducing potential reproduction (but probably by not all that much). The question is more why this identity-seeking behaviour exists and unscientific pursuit of meaningless correlations, which does not seem to serve any useful purpose in a free society at all - perhaps that is the real deviancy from the norm here? Nick · August 31, 2007 04:33 AM Nick, are you saying that all behavior must be genetically advantageous to exist? It could be that there are some behaviors that exist despite giving a genetic disadvantage. So "clearly useful" may be overstating the case. I don't think we're too far apart here, though, and don't wish to belabor the point. The identity-seeking behavior most certainly serves a useful purpose. Though you and I might see href="http://socratesbox.blogspot.com/search?q=lunactivism">lunactivism in the gay rights movement, those in the movement do not. Do you remember the Disco song "We Are Family"? Denial. Nevertheless, the attempt to say that the cause of sexual behavior is biological still baffles me, because as Eric suggests, it sidesteps the issue of our right to government non-interference in the matter. If you're going to fight for the right to be different, then fight for it. Socrates · August 31, 2007 05:51 AM Eric, did you take away your Preview button? I thought you used to have one. Socrates · August 31, 2007 05:54 AM Actually the ring/middle finger differential is also correlated with math ability. My daughter has the differential. When I told her about the connection she jumped for joy. M. Simon · August 31, 2007 06:22 AM When I was a kid, I heard that the most reliable way of telling if a man was gay was to watch him drinking tea or coffee. Straight men curl their fingers around the cup, but gay men hold their pinky finger away from the cup. Thats because the pinky finger of gay men is hypersensitive to heat and burns easily. Anyway, thats what I heard when I was at summer camp when I was 12. Chocolatier · August 31, 2007 10:40 AM Thank you Eric.This cracked me up. As a gay man I feel I was gay from the beginning,but who knows.There is no good proof on either side.I think all the stereotypes are hilarious I have a new one for you.If a man is gay his thumb extends past the second knuckle of his index finger. ethanthom · August 31, 2007 11:19 AM So how many years until a Presidential Candidate is put down for not being "gay enough". G.Scott · September 1, 2007 03:21 AM Post a comment
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Left-handed: Check
Counterclockwise whorl: Check
Fingerprints: Nope
Finger ratio: Ring finger is longer
Maybe I'm only half-gay? Wait till Virginia Graham hears about that!
The difficulty with a genetic origin for being gay is that there are many genetic circumstances that society considers a disease. Tays-Sachs; Sickle Cell Anemia; Diabetes; certain forms of Breast Cancer.
As these are diseases, we try to cure them. As gayness is actually not considered 'normal' by the majority in most cultures, it's quite easy to categorize it as something that should be cured, at the genetic level if necessary. After all, do many people wish to have gay children?
Going down the 'gayness is genetic in origin' is a very tricky road to travel, fraught with unintended consequences.