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June 26, 2007
Principles Of Forecasting
Did you know there were principles of forecasting? I don't mean like the positions of the planets. Which for time spans of tens of thousands of years is fairly mechanical. The kind of forecasting I'm talking about involves events that are less deterministic than the motions of the planets. And yet there are principles. The first is to classify the methodology. Are you starting with numbers or guesses? Which is to say how good is your data base? If you have numbers, what kind of precision is attached? Do you use the numbers directly? Or do you use statistical methods to tease out "useful" information? OK. You have some data. Now you have to select a method of analysis that is both suitable to the data and the purpose for which it will be used. Is this an investment decision? Or just a report on something to keep an eye on? Do you have a business plan in hand or just a casual "this seems like a good idea"? The above pages are full of annotated charts with little pop-up explanation boxes to help you understand the charts. And if that isn't enough the authors of these pages and the accompanying book will give you free help if you describe your problem(s) to them. We have come a ways and surely it can't be just to talk about forecasting methods. Well yes and no. I want to talk about climate. Climate forecasting. J. Scott Armstrong, of the Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania, and Kesten C. Green, of the Business and Economic Forecasting Unit, Monash University have done a short audit of IPCC climate science [pdf] based on the forecasting principles outlined above. I think it would be good to start with the title which really gets to the heart of the matter. Global Warming: Forecasts by Scientists versus Scientific ForecastsNaturally they have some points to make. In 2007, a panel of experts established by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environment Programme issued its updated, Fourth Assessment Report, forecasts. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's Working Group One Report predicts dramatic and harmful increases in average world temperatures over the next 92 years. We asked, are these forecasts a good basis for developing public policy? Our answer is "no".Then they have a devastating word about the "consensus". • Agreement among experts is weakly related to accuracy. This is especially true when the experts communicate with one another and when they work together to solve problems. (As is the case with the IPCC process).They have lots more where that came from. What it boils down to is a warning in the wash room. Keep your eye on this. It is not worth a meeting. Let alone a report to the investment committee. In electronics we can work with very complex systems because the interactions are strictly limited. How is this done? A marvelous Bell Labs invention called the transistor. It isolates as well as performing other useful functions. The electronics guys, with lots of knowledge and isolation plus simple models, are real happy when their predictions of what will happen next in a circuit comes within 5%. The climate guys say they can tell within better that 1%. What are the odds? When you have lots of things or some very complex things interacting, prediction gets hard. As a very great Yogi is reputed to have said: "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Cross Posted at Power and Control posted by Simon on 06.26.07 at 08:20 AM
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Simon, Let me see if I get this straight: You consult a bunch of experts, and they tell you that you shouldn't believe any bunch of experts. So if you believe 'em, you shouldn't believe 'em. And if you don't believe 'em, then you obviously aren't believing 'em. So you shouldn't be trusting these experts in forecasting, either way. Neal J. King · June 27, 2007 05:28 PM Neal, It is more like: If you want to trust the results use the proper methodology. How hard can it be? M. Simon · June 27, 2007 06:25 PM But that's what you go to the experts for. Neal J. King · June 30, 2007 10:08 PM Neal, Trust, but verify. Obviously the experts are not using expert methodology. It would seem the experts are not meeting the verification test. Pity. M. Simon · June 30, 2007 10:51 PM But you're implicitly trusting the "forecasting experts" to know the right methodology. What makes you think they know what they're talking about? "Oh, they're experts." So, by their own claim, you shouldn't trust them. Simon, don't you get the feeling that you're just being asked to trust the last guy to talk to you on this matter? The basic argument is, "Trust me, I'm the real expert." Uh huh. Neal J. King · July 1, 2007 06:38 AM Neal: Bernie · July 1, 2007 08:42 AM Neal, I have looked at their methods and they seem sound to me. If you have an objection to one point or another perhaps instead of competing experts we could have competing ideas. After all shouldn't climate scientists be as respectful of forecasting methodology as they are to chemistry and physics and statistics? Any way is there some part of their methodology you disagree with? M. Simon · July 1, 2007 12:20 PM Bernie & M. Simon, Armstrong is a "marketing" expert. What marketing people know about reality is a joke. I remember talking to such an expert 20 years ago, who was telling me he was trying to find a way to quantify the degree of improvement that computers had brought to business - and he couldn't find any. Reports took just as long to write, etc. I pointed out that an improvement in the quality of the report, and the consequent decisions based upon it, wouldn't be reflected in such a measure. He glitched, and then went on with his spiel. By now, I think people have found ways to measure the degree of efficiency improvement due to computers. But I don't care very much about what they say, in any case. Neal J. King · July 3, 2007 06:02 PM Post a comment
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Thanks for the post. Of course you put me into a fugue state.
Thanks. Your clarity helps me think.