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March 17, 2007
Anndrew Coulter?
Can anyone explain to me what gives Andrew Sullivan the to right use the word "faggot" with impunity? I have to say that I find it very annoying that he is using the word to describe Mickey Kaus, and I think it tends to undermine what I thought was his position that the word should not be used. Actually, while I do not defend either (and I wrote several posts criticizing Ann Coulter for her use of the word), a good argument can be made that Sullivan's use of the word is at least as odious as Ann Coulter's. Here's what he said (in a post titled "The Faggot-Guy"): ....from now on, inspired by South Park, on those few occasions when his name comes up, [Mickey Kaus] will have a new appellation on this blog. He's the Faggot-Guy now. How does it feel, Faggot-Guy?Sullivan might imagine that he's "retaliating" against Kaus for having defended the use of the word (he argued about its context in the past), but the crucial difference is the Kaus has never used the word as a pejorative -- against Sullivan or anyone else. He has said repeatedly that he doesn't use it and is against using it: For the record: 1) I don't defend and haven't defended use of the ugly and offensive word "faggot." On Ann Coulter's remarks, I wrote that it's a "a toxic word that shouldn't have been used even in a joke--or anyway in that joke." It's not a word I use or accept others using.Nevertheless Sullivan used it to put down Kaus -- in at least two posts -- and he says he'll keep doing it. Here's why I think Sullivan's word use is at least as egregious as Coulter's:
While I would never call for censorship of any kind, I have many times called for civility, and I think the use of derogatory pejoratives to insult people is beyond the pale -- whether by an leading author at CPAC or by a leading blogger attacking another blogger. I think it is especially abhorrent for Sullivan to be doing this, because he knows damned well that anyone who retaliates in kind will automatically look like a bigot. The thing is, by calling Kaus a faggot, he's inviting the use of this word in his own slimy way, just as Ann Coulter invited it in her own slimy way. I think it's reprehensible, and I think Sullivan should apologize. Of course, Ann Coulter hasn't apologized, and since Sullivan appears to be following her lead, I don't expect he will either. The only thing I can say in Sullivan's defense is that I think he's being a copycat; Ann Coulter started this latest outburst of calling people faggots, and now Sullivan has shown himself unable to resist tagging along. I think the left has benefited enormously from Ann Coulter's remarks (as Rand Simberg said, she fragged her own troops). So far, people not on the left are fighting, while people on the left are gloating. In a comment to my earlier post about the Ann Coulter episode, I asked, "Will any good come of this?" Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not seeing any good yet. (Sorry, but this post was no fun. Neither is this topic.) posted by Eric on 03.17.07 at 07:28 PM
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Sullivan is just being a typical liberal hypocrite. The rules are for me and thee, not him. It is Al Gore Syndrome. Bleepless · March 17, 2007 09:14 PM You are exactly right about Sullivan. You can't pin this guy down. He slips and slides. One moment he's blasting the Clinton's, the next he's finding Hillary OK. And backing Kerry, for gods sake. Frank · March 18, 2007 12:18 AM Sticks and stones may break my bones, M. Simon · March 18, 2007 07:15 AM I'm not going to say Sully is right or not, but he is not calling Kaus a "faggot"; "Faggot Guy" would refer to someone who thinks saying the word "faggot" is OK. It does seem that Sully didn't get part of the point of the South Park episode. The Unabrewer · March 21, 2007 08:52 PM Ann Coulter didn't call Edwards a faggot either. It's insinuation, and it could be done the same way with any of the derogatory terms. I think it's just a cheap shot. Eric Scheie · March 21, 2007 09:28 PM Post a comment
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No good will come from anything Ann Coulter says. I don't see what good comes from anything Sullivan says or does either.
Comparing homosexuals to black people, which is what Sullivan is trying to do, is pointless because it is a different type of discrimination. People believed that black people were an inferior species. People, (not me) believe that being gay is a sin and others (me, but in a polite way) just think it is gross. The effort to gain civil unions may and should work, but it still won't be considered normal.