5 million years of ethical evolution?

New scientific research indicates that humans and chimpanzees diverged more recently than previously thought, and that they could have been interbreeding as recently as five million years ago:

New scientific findings indicate that ancestral humans split from chimpanzee forebears more recently than previously thought and raise the possibility that the two nascent species hybridized before making their final separation.

The surprising findings reveal a much more complicated birth of the human and chimpanzee species than shown by previous research. They also call into question the place on the primate family tree of fossils that scientists had thought were the bones of ancestral humans, but which are older than the newly determined time that the species diverged.

The research, conducted by scientists at Harvard Medical School, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), and the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT, indicates that humans and chimpanzees developed into distinct species less than 6.3 million years ago and probably more recently than 5.4 million years ago. That is about a million years later than the previously accepted range of 6.5 million to 7.4 million years ago.

The Philadelphia Inquirer elaborates on the possibility of, to be blunt about it, sex between man and ape:
By comparing samples of chimp, gorilla and human DNA, scientists from MIT and Harvard say they see possible evidence of interspecies sex.

But there's a problem with this finding, say paleontologists who study human origins. The geneticists are proposing that our ancestors were still mixing it up with those of the chimps until six million years ago - a time when one lineage was on all fours, the other already walking upright.

And you thought your relationship had compatibility problems.

"We see a complex speciation with a long, drawn-out gene flow," said David Reich, a geneticist from Harvard Medical School and lead author of the paper, published in today's issue of the journal Nature.

Would creatures that different want to mate, let alone be able to create viable offspring? The geneticists conceded this might be a stretch, but they suggest the fossil-finders are off on the dates for upright walking. Paleontologists say the geneticists' dates are in error.

If it's any consolation, the scientists say our ancestors still behaved like apes when this alleged sex took place. We started walking upright very early after splitting off from chimpanzees, and only much later acquired large brains, complex tool use and language.

Well, that's a relief.

At least if my great-75,000th-grandfather was screwing a cute little chimp who walked on all fours, I can content myself with the knowledge that his brain was small.

I discussed the possibility of human-chimpanzee hybridization in a previous post. The legal and moral implications are disturbing enough that the Harvard researchers can only hint about, um doing it:

Reich cautioned that though hybridization would answer several questions raised by the research, the research itself does not prove that hybridization occurred. Further work is needed to explore whether that happened.
Further work? Might that be in vitro fertilization experiments? Or would implantation of the embryo be required? Certainly, they can't be talking about having someone -- or something -- carrying the fetus to term!

Richard Dawkins has discussed some of the ethical implications:

. . . [W]hat if somebody succeeded in breeding a chimpanzee/ human hybrid? I can assert, without fear of contradiction, that the news would be earth-shattering. Bishops would bleat, lawyers would gloat in anticipation, conservative politicians would thunder; socialists wouldn't know where to put their barricades. The scientist that achieved the feat would be drummed out of politically correct common rooms; denounced in pulpit and gutter press; condemned, perhaps, by an ayatollah's fatwah. Politics would never be the same again, nor would theology, sociology psychology; or most branches of philosophy. The world that would be so shaken, by such an incidental event as a hybridisation, is a speciesist world indeed, dominated by the discontinuous mind.
Would the creation of a humanzee (or chuman) really be that disruptive?

Professor Dawkins is kind enough to provide a picture:

CHIMPman.gif

I'm wondering whether the existence of such a creature would be earthshaking out of concern for the poor creature and its precarious legal status (obviously, it would have a tough life), or whether there would be frustration with the idea that such a thing is theoretically possible.

FWIW, considering that humans and chimps have 99.4% of their DNA in common, I think it is obvious that it is possible. At least as possible (if not more so) as the beefalo or any number of difficult hybrids such as the zorse, zobra, tion, or liger.

What I'd like to know is under what theory our ethical system is threatened. Clearly, the hybridization is possible. It would, however, be a cruel thing to do to the individual, and I would not do it. But to the extent that the threat to human ethics is based on the theory that such a breeding would be impossible, I'd say the research has already disproved that theory. If man and chimp could interbreed five million years ago, it's hardly surprising that this could be duplicated today under laboratory conditions.

Hmmm....

There are people who maintain seriously that man and chimp couldn't have interbred 5 million years ago, aren't there? They'd probably assert that breeding the two today would be impossible, wouldn't they?

That alone might provide enough reason for someone to do it. I'd feel sorry for any near-human creature, bred for the purpose of winning a debate. I would hope they'd stop at the test tube stage.

At that point, they could suspend the experiment, store the embryos in liquid nitrogen, and let them "live" in eternal suspension. The appropriate ethicists could then hold a huge debate over whether they should be killed, murdered, or (worse) be born.

posted by Eric on 05.20.06 at 10:29 PM





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That 99.4% figure is out of context. As far as I can tell, it comes from a New Scientist article in 2003, which actually said:

"The new study found that 99.4 percent of the most critical DNA sites are identical in the corresponding human and chimp genes. With that close a relationship, the two living chimp species belong in the genus Homo, says Morris Goodman of Wayne State University in Detroit."

In other words, it doesn't specify the overall similarity, only the similarity of undefined "most critical" bits. I'm willing to bet that you'd be 98% similar to almost any mammal, certainly any primate, if you got to pick which DNA you wanted to compare.

Michael Heinz   ·  May 21, 2006 12:40 AM

I was about to bring up the same point as Michael. I seem to remember reading that we also share over 90% of our DNA with starfish.

Hmmm, a manfish...

Adam   ·  May 21, 2006 01:27 AM

I'm no geneticist; I was paraphrasing what I read in the wiki link. According to the "zorse" link, "A horse has 64 chromosomes; the zebra has 44." They still made the hybrid. I don't think the overall DNA percentage is as crucial as the particular sites.

If one of these two species wasn't a human, I don't think there'd be as much resistance to the idea that it could be done. Genetically, I don't think it's big deal.

But it is, because we are human.

Eric Scheie   ·  May 21, 2006 01:53 AM

OK, that pic is totally David Hasselhoff. Right?

Anyway, I think the threat comes from the slippery slope of what rights you give a humanzee, and then what rights you give a chimp, etc. Eventually, you might get to the point of giving animals rights.

And I hate cows.

Jon Thompson   ·  May 21, 2006 01:55 AM

All that is needed to do to trigger this slippery slope debate is an embryo. That's because (according to certain ethicists) an embryo is as much a human as a grown man, and thus there'd be no moral difference between a chimp egg fertilized with human sperm, and a walking, talking (or brachiating, muttering) humanzee.

Could the embryo be killed? Or would that be murder?

This may sound frivolous to some, but I'm not sure it's frivolous to all.

Eric Scheie   ·  May 21, 2006 09:02 AM

One upright, other on all fours means sex is not possible. That is going to so disappoint the porn industry.

Alan Kellogg   ·  May 21, 2006 05:39 PM

Actually, I was thinking that the picture was Chevy Chase, but Hasselhoff is pretty close too.

Phelps   ·  May 22, 2006 03:06 PM

Now, when I re-watch Marky-Mark's Planet of the Apes and he flirts with Helen Bonham-Carter....ewwww!

Ted B. (Charging Rhino)   ·  May 22, 2006 04:00 PM

Well I think it should be pretty clear to everyone who holds that man evolved from apes that it is possible or at least theoretically possible, to pruduce hybrids of humans (it might just so happen that no animal close enough to us exists, but that doesn't mean it was not possible that there could have been).

What that goes to show ethically really depends on our notion of human rights and how to deal with vague terms. The creation of a hybrid would pretty much establish "human" as a vague term since you get things of which their humanity can be reasonably disputed. It would not show that we ARE animals but that we are at least continuous with animals.

We might judge that animals close to our level of intelligence are deserving of some rights, for example.

We might, however, say that actually our notion of "human rights" we apply to all humans out of convenience, not out of genuine reason. In other words, some humans might not actually deserve all the rights we give them but because epistemically, we cannot tell which ones, we grant rights to everyone to ensure that we behave well within the bounds of ethics. Anything that is not entirely human, however, would not come within that protective sphere of rights.

Hmm... rambling again. But the existence of a hybrid would certainly cause some examinations along these lines.

nic   ·  May 22, 2006 05:58 PM

"At least if my great-75,000th-grandfather was screwing a cute little chimp who walked on all fours, I can content myself with the knowledge that his brain was small."

Rolfmao!

Harkonnendog   ·  May 23, 2006 07:43 PM

Glad to make you laugh, TJ! Others might feel that joking about such things is in poor taste.

Interesting comments all.

Eric Scheie   ·  May 25, 2006 11:38 AM


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