Stembryonics

Over at Bioethics Blog there's a longish post addressing some longstanding peeves of mine. The entire thing is well worth your time, but I would never ever do that to you. No, no, never that. I'll just give you most of it. Say, around ninety percent. Let's start with the obligatory bona fides.

My name is George Daley. I am here today representing the American Society for Cell Biology, a professional society of nearly 12,000 basic biomedical researchers in the United States and 50 nations around the world.

I am Associate Professor of Pediatrics and Biological Chemistry at Boston Children’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School, the Associate Director of the Stem Cell Program at Children’s Hospital, a member of the Executive Committee of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute, and Board Member and President-elect of the International Society for Stem Cell Research (term to begin June 2007). My research is focused on using embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells to study blood development, and to develop new treatments for leukemia, and genetic diseases like immune deficiency, sickle cell anemia, thalassemia, and Fanconi’s anemia.

So, is this better than being the Addie Clark Harding Professor in the Committee on Social Thought? Speaking for utilitarians everywhere, I'd have to say yes.

I am also clinically active as a hematologist at Children’s Hospital, where I see first-hand the pain and suffering inflicted by these diseases on children and their families. My career is dedicated to making a difference in their lives through research and patient care.

Better and better. First hand experience on the front lines, as it were. Oh, and let me say right now that any emphases you see in this post were added by me.

I am here today to state my strong support for Senate passage of HR 810, which has already passed the House of Representatives by an impressive and bipartisan margin. HR 810 would ensure that scientists can use Federal grant funds to study the wide range of valuable human embryonic stem cell lines that have been created since August 9, 2001, the date that President Bush announced his restrictive stem cell research policy.

HR 810 would expand research opportunities and accelerate progress towards newer and better therapies for the many children I currently cannot treat successfully.

And high time, too.

I am also here to give scientific perspective on the several additional strategies proposed for deriving human pluripotent stem cells...which are the subject of this hearing today.

I want to state at the outset that I support efforts to derive pluripotent stem cells by methods that would be ethically acceptable to all, but I do not support delaying the pursuit of medical research on existing human embryonic stem cell lines while these more speculative methods are tested. I believe that Senate passage of HR 810 is the surest means of supporting stem cell research at this juncture.

First let me emphasize why research on human embryonic stem cells is so vitally important, and why alternative forms of adult stem cell research cannot substitute for the study of embryonic stem cells.

Critics of embryonic stem cell research are fond of saying that adult stem cells have been used to cure dozens of diseases while embryonic stem cells have helped no one.

To put it mildly. They do it all the damn time, seems like. Why, no less an eminence than Big Windy himself has been known to say it, and he should know better.

Back in the Bioethics Council's salad days they solicited the opinions of some researchers in the field. This would have been April 25, 2002.

PROF. SANDEL: I would like to go back to the adult stem cell versus embryonic stem cell question, and ask it in a slightly different, and maybe more pointed, form.

As you know, there are some people who regard embryonic stem cell research as morally objectionable...I would like to know your view on the following scientific question.

If adult stem cell research in the best case scenario redeems its promise, what would we lose medically and scientifically if we ban embryonic stem cell research, or imposed a moratorium on it for a period of time, until we could assess what adult stem cell research could achieve?

DR. GEARHART: I personally think it would be a tragedy...I think the length of time that it is going to take to assess whether the adult stem cell avenue is going to provide the potential therapies that we are thinking about, is going to be years.

And I think for us to deny at this point any avenue that has the potential of the embryonic stem cell story is a tragedy to those people who need or who will need these cures.

And I think that it is a time element. If this could be done in a year, I would maybe listen to that argument. But it is going to take years to really assess any of these approaches.

And I really think they should move forward together. I think we are going to learn in both directions how to utilize information coming out of these studies that would benefit, for example, or enable us to understand more about the adult sources if this is going to be the emphasis, and to really make them effective in their use.

So I think that it wouldn't be wise to put a ban on the embryonic source at this point, and wait until another avenue is assessed. The length of time is going to be too long...

The President's Council is under no obligation to agree with the expert testimony they have requested. Lucky them. Back to Dr. Daley...

Even after many decades of clinical experience, bone marrow [i.e. adult stem cell] transplant remains an aggressive and toxic therapy that carries the highest mortality rate of any medical procedure that is routinely performed.

For patients whose only bone marrow match is from unrelated donors outside the family, the treatment itself claims the lives of ~30% of patients in the first year. Indeed, I have cared for many patients who have died during treatment. All of us working in hematology today agree that additional research is needed.

My laboratory is studying embryonic stem cells in hopes of making blood stem cell transplants safer and more widely applicable. A critical part of the strategy is using somatic cell nuclear transfer to generate stem cells that are customized to the specific patients I mentioned earlier, kids with leukemia, immune deficiency, and sickle cell anemia.

We hope to correct the genetic defects in these patient-specific cells, direct their differentiation into blood, and transplant kids with these genetically matched autologous cells.

This strategy is already working in mice, and we are eager to translate this work into humans. The current Federal funding policies have held us back.

Although it is true that no one has to date been treated with cellular therapies based on human embryonic stem cells, I can assure you that mouse embryonic stem cells have had a major impact on medical research. Over the past 25 years, mouse embryonic stem cells have been used to create models for scores of human diseases, including cancer, heart disease, obesity, and Alzheimer’s...

As for the criticism that no one has been cured with embryonic stem cells, the field of human embryonic stem cell research is a mere 7 years old, so it is premature to expect successful cell therapies to have already been delivered to patients.

I believe it is only a matter of time before human embryonic stem cells are used in drug development research and become the basis for important new cell therapies.

As further evidence of how human embryonic stem cells enable unique opportunities to study disease, consider research on Fanconi’s anemia. Kids with Fanconi’s anemia suffer bone marrow failure, and often develop leukemia. Scientists have tried to model this disease in mice, but the mice do not develop bone marrow failure, and the adult blood stem cells from Fanconi’s patients cannot be maintained in culture.

Recently, a team from the Reproductive Genetics Institute of Chicago isolated a human embryonic stem cell line that carries a Fanconi’s gene mutation. This cell line could enable us to study the uniquely human aspects of Fanconi’s anemia.

However, because of the current Presidential policy, we cannot study these cells with our Federal grant dollars. Thus my lab has been left to attempt to generate a Fanconi’s model in one of our Presidential stem cell lines, which has proven to be far more cumbersome than simply obtaining the cells from Chicago.

To date, we have not succeeded. By this direct example, the President’s policy is hindering our research on this terrible childhood disease. Senate passage of HR 810 would make available Federal funds to perform this important medical research...

Let me now turn to the several proposed new methods for making pluripotent human stem cells that are designed to avoid the destruction of a human embryo. These so-called “alternatives” are not TRUE alternatives, as they currently represent only speculative proposals for research that might yield new stem cell lines, and are fraught with their own ethical problems.

In most of these cases, the experiments needed to establish feasibility of these proposals would require research on human embryos, and thus would be prohibited under current Federal law by the Dickey amendment.

Far preferable to spending limited research dollars on these speculative proposals, in my opinion, is support for research on additional embryonic stem cell lines that are available today—lines that are similar to those already approved under the Bush policy. Senate passage of HR 810 would advance research that we know works, research where the ethical dilemmas have been understood and accepted by most.

Among the speculative methods under discussion, the first involves extracting stem cells from embryos that could be considered “dead”, because they have stopped dividing and will not develop further. If individual cells remain alive (and hopefully normal), they might be used to initiate lines of stem cells. The President’s Council found this strategy ethically sound and scientifically feasible and so endorsed it. However, I anticipate that attempts to generate pluripotent cells from these defective embryos will be far less effective...

The second speculative method derives from pre-implantation genetic diagnosis, or PGD, in which one or two cells are removed from an early embryo and analyzed to diagnose serious inherited diseases...

The suggestion has been made that biopsied cells might be used to produce pluripotent stem cell lines, and this would be ethically acceptable if the embryo remained unharmed.

Dr. Lanza is here to represent his as yet unpublished success in using this strategy to produce pluripotent stem cell lines from mouse embryos.

However, the biopsy procedure raises all sorts of ethical concerns and indeed has been dismissed as unacceptable during the initial inquiries of the President’s Council. Those who equate the zygote to a human being would reject the use of embryo biopsy because it removes cells at a stage when they might be considered developmentally equivalent to the zygote...

Removing a totipotent blastomere is then the moral equivalent of producing a twin, which, in the view of opponents of embryonic stem cell research could not then be sacrificed for research. Embryo biopsy for stem cell research entails risks to embryos that are wanted for making a baby, rather than destined to be discarded as medical waste.

If my wife and I carried a genetic disease we would accept the risk of the embryo biopsy procedure to insure we could have the healthiest child possible, but if we were simply infertile and using IVF to assist us in reproduction, we would not consent to having our healthy embryos biopsied...

...the more cells one biopsies to accommodate both PGD and stem cell derivations, the greater the risk for embryo loss...

The third speculative method involves deriving pluripotent stem cells from something the President’s Council has termed “biological artifacts”. The best described of this procedure is called “Altered Nuclear Transfer”, which entails introducing a genetic defect into a somatic donor cell prior to nuclear transfer, so that a disordered embryo results that can be a source of pluripotent stem cells but cannot develop into a human.

According to Dr. Hurlbut, the method’s chief proponent, what is produced would “lack the essential attributes and capacities of a human embryo”, a biological artifact whose destruction to produce pluripotent stem cells would be ethically justified.

...my colleagues and I have rejected this concept as flawed. In reasoning echoed by the President’s Council, we questioned whether the planned creation of what amounts to a defective embryo would silence ethical objections.

A more recent proposal put forth by Markus Grompe is a variation on Altered Nuclear Transfer called Oocyte Assisted Reprogramming...Grompe also suggests altering the input somatic cell so as to preclude formation of a viable human embryo.

He proposes using a gene like nanog, which might promote reprogramming of the donor somatic cell directly to something that resembles an embryonic stem cell, which is pluripotent, and avoids generating a cell like a zygote, which is totipotent...

...even if this strategy works in mice, there is no guarantee it will work in humans, and verification would then require the creation and destruction of many manipulated human embryos, which might or might not have the altered characteristics that would make this method ethically “acceptable”.

If it works, I am concerned that in order to use Federal dollars for research US Scientists will be relegated to less-efficient processes like Altered Nuclear Transfer, while Korean scientists employ superior techniques.

The fourth speculative approach is to derive pluripotent cells via direct de-differentiation of somatic cells to an embryonic stem cell-like state using chemical treatments or cell culture manipulation alone.

The President’s Council found merit in this fourth proposal, but also raised the technically thorny issue of how to rule out whether a totipotent and therefore morally significant cell might be created by this procedure.

In my view, these last two proposals raise a curious and challenging question: can we distinguish the moral value of a human cell based on its particular gene expression pattern? Can humanity really be diagnosed at the level of a single cell?

...this last approach has scientific merit. We know cellular de-differentiation is possible; indeed, that is precisely what we do when we perform somatic cell nuclear transfer and reprogram a somatic cell back to a zygote.

The Federal Government is already funding research into such cellular reprogramming. Indeed, last year I was one of nine recipients of the inaugural Pioneer Award from the Director of the National Institutes of Health to support highly innovative (that is, speculative) research of exactly this type. Although this strategy is worth pursuing, it is extremely high-risk, and may take years to perfect, and may never work as well as nuclear transfer, which we know we can practice today.

Research on each of these proposed strategies is at present untested in human cells, but if judged to be meritorious by the peer review process, should be funded. However, the already proven routes to obtaining embryonic stem cells from excess IVF embryos or through the use of somatic cell nuclear transfer should not be put on hold pending the outcomes of the more speculative methods.

Finally, let me emphasize that research on embryonic stem cells and embryo research in general is not solely about making tissues for transplantation to treat disease. Although the promise of new therapies is perhaps the most compelling reason to support expanded access to embryonic stem cells for research, I stress that it is equally important to pursue research that addresses fundamental questions about the earliest stages of human development.

We know that a variety of birth defects can be traced to abnormal cell divisions during the first few days of life, and that infertility and miscarriage can also be traced to defects in the early embryo. We cannot learn everything there is to learn about these human disease conditions from studying animals.

We must study the unique aspects of human embryo biology directly, and the Federal government should support this vitally important basic research.

Science certainly cannot define when in the gradual course of human development we deserve individual and autonomous rights.

I do not agree with the premise that the single celled zygote should be given the same considerations as living persons and I do not view the embryo as a human being, particularly when it is frozen in a freezer.

As a physician and as a scientist and as a father I live in a practical world of choices, and a world in which disease is a grim reality. Unless we want to turn back the clock, and outlaw in vitro fertilization, then we as a society have already accepted that many more embryos are created than will ever become children.

I feel it is morally justified to derive benefit from these embryos through medical research instead of relegating them to medical waste.

And unless we are willing to argue the biological absurdity that our humanity can be defined by a particular signature of gene expression that exists in the totipotent cells of the early human embryo, then we must support the vitally important applications of embryonic stem cells to medical research.

Bonus points for readers who made it this far. As a special reward, I've also imported the comments section. Just keep going and you can read a comment from Wesley J. Smith himself, one of those NRO "culture of death" warriors. Take it away, Wes!

This whole thing is mainly a diversion. It isn't going to happen until 2009, if then. It's as simple as that.

In my experience, when they tell you how simple it all is, they're hoping you'll just shut up and believe them.

Moreover, if this is so important, there are plenty of billionaires who could sink a cool 500 million into the research...

A fundamentally dishonest argument. Can there ever be enough billionaires? And what billionaire in his right mind is going to fund a line of research that may well be declared felonious? Specious argument? Why, yes!

...not to mention the states that are beginning to fund it (as their emergency rooms close for lack of funds).

Cry me a river. They wouldn't need to if Washington was doing its job.

The real issue is whether to permit human SCNT. The Bush policy is irrelevant to this issue...

Oh really? From today's Instapundit...

Specter has introduced a bill that would overthrow President Bush's executive order, which limits federal funding to a small number of human embryonic stem-cell lines. Specter's bill would open up funding to unused embryos donated by couples after in vitro fertilization. The House has already passed the bill, and the Senate was expected to do the same.

BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS PROMISED TO VETO IT.

Sounds pretty irrelevant to me...we now return to Wesley J. Smith...

...as it deals with leftover embryos and their use in creating embryonic stem cell lines. Yet, I often hear advocates try to connect this policy with the S. Korean cloning successes, when they have nothing to do with each other...

Only if you squint your eyes really, really hard. Which is easy to do when your pants are on fire...

But this is good politics. Make people think Bush is holding back the science...

He is.

...and confuse people about the rational distinctions to be made between "therapeutic cloning," which creates human life to be destroyed, and embryonic stem cell research using leftover IVF embryos.

Oh, and before someone starts yapping about how an SCNT embryo isn't really an embryo...

I believe the argument may be more nuanced than that, straw man killer...

...James Thomson took care of that little bit of obfuscation. Good for him. Science is corrupted by, shall we say, less than candid, advocacy.

Wesley J. Smith

Huh. Civil discourse is corrupted by, shall we say, snide and self-righteous shading of the truth. Reason enough to dislike him, but beyond that, metaphorically speaking, he's been giving Leon Kass sweet culture warrior loving for years.

On to our next commenter...

The whole discussion is, as WJS says, a diversion. The goal is either the cloning for stem cells or stimulation of stem cells and/or stem cell stimulationg factors (just as we currently do with erythopoietin and other blood stem cell factors).

The experiments should stick with animal models. The controversy - the intensity of the "yuk factor" - should be a clue.

History shows how strong the backlash can be when science acts outside of ethical boundaries and out of hubris.

Could we have a couple of examples that aren't Nazis, please? Actually, history is fairly equivocal on the subject...

We're supposed to be so smart - let's learn from the mistakes of those who went before us rather than make our own by experimenting on our own offspring.

Beverly

It's hard to know what to say. Your offspring are quite safe? No one will forcefully harvest your precious eggs?

Go to a hospital Beverly. Take a good look at all the sick kids. Just go as you are, you won't need a freaking microscope to see them. They're really big.

Try and harvest a precious clue.



posted by Justin on 07.13.05 at 10:28 AM





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Sorry man, while I usually agree with you I have to part with you here.

I firmly support stem cell research, HOWEVER, I can't support Federal funding for it.

I don't agree with the Feds getting into this game until they can come up with a rational agreed upon definition of life, when it starts and when the state can end it.

Stem cell research will spin off into various cloning issues. I do not feel comfortable putting this into the governments pervue when it can be highjacked back and forth.

If they can sit down and settle the abortion issue rationally and settle the cloning issues rationally, then I'll support federal funding, until then lets keep the funding private (plenty of money there for it) so that when things get out of hand the government can be called upon to come in and shut it down for cause.

Give up the fed funds now and politics will control the research and debate.

I talked a bit about it here, a bit of a ramble, but it all comes back together.

Keep up the good work though, it's rare we disagree, and at the core of this issue we do agree. Just not on the federal funding.

--Jason

Jason Coleman   ·  July 13, 2005 03:24 PM

Jason,

I appreciate the rational tone of your response to Justin's post. It's easy for folks, on both sides of the issue, to get overheated at times.

I think that (setting aside for a moment the areas of abortion and cloning) it should be possible for MOST folks to agree that unused embryos, donated by couples after in vitro fertilization, could be an ethically acceptable source of stems cells.

The white paper created by Kass's ethics council argues that these discarded embryos need to be (effectively) dead before stem cells can be (ethically) extracted. However, many folks, myself included, are comfortable with the idea of harvesting stem cells from VIABLE embryos as long as the decision has already been made to discard them.

Personally, delaying stem cell research (and accepting the pain and death associated with such delay) is FAR more ethically uncomfortable to me than the idea of harvesting stem cells from discarded embryos that haven't been allowed to start to rot FIRST.

Just my perspective.

Sean

Sean   ·  July 13, 2005 07:48 PM

This entire debate is about the wrong subject. The current rules prohibit FEDERALLY-FUNDED stem cell research on all but a certain group of cell lines. The question to ask is "why exactly do we need to depend on the feds to fund this stuff"?

If the promise is that great, shouldn't there be tons of capital invested in this area already?

If there is not, either A) the market is not convinced of the potential rewards, or B) everyone expects the feds to hand out research money and can't make a move without it. I don't buy into C), which seems to be the implication that the feds might turn hostile rather than indifferent. If you have a big enough success thru stem cell research, no one is care about the source that much.

Mat Larson   ·  July 13, 2005 08:20 PM

I completely understand the stated concerns about federal funding of stem cell research.

However, FORBIDDING federal funding for most stem cell research is far more chilling than CHOOSING NOT TO FUND IT.

What happens to state, local, corporate, educational or charitable entities that choose to support, endorse or facilitate stem cell research efforts? If ANY ASPECT of the aforementioned entities receives federal funding, does that mean that federal funding to those entities is threatened?

Sure, it seems unlikely that federal transportation funds to the state of California will be denied because of the recently passed state proposition to fund stem cell research, but can't you envision some conservative congressman trying to score points with his constituents by using the federal stem cell ban as an excuse to hold up funds to California? What if the American Cancer society chooses to support the research. Do THEY need to worry about existing federal funding being held up?

Rather than choosing to risk the loss of federal funding for OTHER programs due to the stem cell ban, isn't it easier for non-federal entities to avoid the issue by not supporting stem cell research in ANY way? Why gamble, right?

I'd call that a chilling effect, wouldn't you?

If you don't want federal funds spent on stem cell research, tell your representatives in congress not to put it in the budget. FORBIDDING such funding is a political act with repercussions far beyond the federal budget.

Sean

Sean   ·  July 14, 2005 06:08 PM

As the "next commenter":

Go to a summit arranged by Genetics Policy Institute, as I did in June, you'll hear that embryonic stem cells are just a step to cloned embryos, as well as an open discussion of less yucky terms to use for cloning and harvesting of cloned embryos.

For non-Nazi examples try Tuskegee,the many times that institutionalized children have been used for experimental subjects in vaccine and pharmacy trials (including the recently disclosed NIH HIV studies), and those lobotomies for unruly girls and uncontrollable inmates of insane assylums. Or you could just read the feminist history of the abuse of women by the medical community through sterilization, hysterectomies and childbirth. And don't forget Cary Buck.

As to the children (other than those above and the ones experimented on by Mengele, of course): In June, Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh published research to show that adult stem cells multiply at least as many times as embryonic. Texas docs have participated in research using umbilical cord blood to replace bone marrow in children since 2001. My own granddaughter is an early recipient who is perfectly healthy without the twice-daily shots she need in her first year and a half of life.

Beverly   ·  July 25, 2005 03:48 AM

Just to add a point or two:
The prohibition on federal funding has broader implications than are immediately apparent. Large research institutions that receive federal funding for many different types of biomedical research often will not participate in embryonic stem cell (ESC) research with private dollars because of the difficulty in maintaining separate recordkeeping structures for private and public funding. If an NIH audit revealed federal dollars used for any part of prohibited research--intentional or not--the institution or researcher could have all federal funding cut off. For example, if a researcher conducts studies of both adult stem cells (with federal funding) and ESC research (with private dollars) he or she would have to be sure that absolutely no federal funds went to support ESC research in any way--that means only private funds used to pay for administrative, clerical support, etc. It is very difficult to do. If you are a researcher you might use one clerical coordinator to do paperwork for any number of different studies. Keeping the private funds separate is very difficult and federallly-funded researchers are reluctant to jeopardize existing federally funding to take on private research.
So, many large biomedical research institutions--those with a lot of experience--will likely avoid the privately funded research, in order not to jeopardize their other funding.
In addition, without federal funding, you also lose the complex federal oversight procedures required. Under current federal law, only federally funded studies are required to report to institutional review boards, have data safety monitoring boards, etc. Privately funded research often does, but there is no federal law requiring this. There are varying state laws governing private research, but these apply different conditions and standards. Use of federal funding would be a good way, in my opinion, to ensure societal input into ethical research practices across the board. Instead of having privately funded ESC researchers in California allowed to proceed with different types of research than is allowed in Illinois, or other states, for example. (I'm using the state names as examples, I am not familiar with what individual states currently permit.)

Cathi   ·  July 25, 2005 11:03 AM

I'm coming into this a bit late, but want to reinforce the point made by several commentators, that one can strongly support ESC research but oppose federal funding for same. My own opposition to federal funding here rests on tried and true liberal principles -- i.e., unless there is a compelling societal interest at stake, those with sincere moral objections to ESC research should not have to support it with their tax dollars.

Of course, if the IRS operated with some form of fund accounting, the issue would be moot. But don't expect congress to give up its power to allocate the hard earned money they extract (or is it extort?) from you and me. That would be a bit too democratic for their elite tastes.

Bob Koepp   ·  July 28, 2005 02:13 PM


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