Being Taken – A Con Job


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An excellent explanation of why #WalkAway is so powerful. An exposition on real fear vs imaginary fear. You can get the gist of it in the first 6 minutes. So far this is not showing up in the polls. Will it show up in November? TBD

Update: 15 July 2018 0741z

For my commenter friend who has slipped the rails. Completely. And fears just the things Scott Adams pointed at. Perhaps this will provide a grounding in reality. Or not.


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18 responses to “Being Taken – A Con Job”

  1. captain*arizona Avatar
    captain*arizona

    of course its not showing up in the polls because its fake news promoted by conservative media and wealthy cons. this is what is actually happening alexandra ocasio-cortez is running the corporate establishment donor class stooge joe crowley out of office. after 2008 election discrediting bush and the establishment republican donor class. the base didn’t become liberals they became the tea party populists even though the donor class could still buy the nomination for romney. same thing is now happening in democrat party base is had enough of chuckie, nancy and donor class. clintonistas can’t understand why democratic base is rebelling and primarting them! democrats loath conservative libertarians but except certain aspects of populism.

  2. captain*arizona Avatar
    captain*arizona

    simon et.al. you must not know what makes up the democratic party and why the polls haven’t changed. 50% are various minority groups ( gays different) who hate conservatives with a passion! older liberal white women again hate conservatives. liberal men same. pro labor union working class. trumps populism made small but significant inroads here. they vote obama twine but some in rust belt voted for populist trump as clinton was closet free trader. millennials voted third party and some more for trump as they didn’t like or trust hillary. gays are mostly libertarian and many are conservative but have been driven out by social conservative anti-gay bias they were forced to join democrats in self defense. as anti-gay bias recedes in republican these latter day ernst rhomes are slipping on their jack boots and heading home. that is that is happening. their numbers are small so no poll changes. if you want to see explosion in democrat party see what happens if red state dem. senators break ranks and vote for kavenaugh!

  3. Simon Avatar

    captain,

    Not only was I once a Democrat. I was once a Communist.

    I know the scene well.

    In their calls for smaller government I’m sympathetic. End the Drug Police. No Abortion police.

    But much of the rest can’t work. The incentives are wrong.

    And they would prefer Pareto Distributions didn’t exist.

    Fighting reality takes a lot of energy. Better to work with it.

  4. Simon Avatar

    As to poll changes.

    The movement is less than two months old. Let us see in 3 months if the polls are affected. The real poll in 4 months should be interesting.

    I walked away in 1980. By 1988 I was a Libertarian. These days I’m an Independent libertarian Republican. (I could see voting for other than a Republican in some cases).

  5. captain*arizona Avatar
    captain*arizona

    when I was young and didn’t know any better I was a goldwater republican. then I realized conservatism is evil incarnate. I was never a communist and neither were most democrats. war communism was effective in revolutionary fighting. it was a military system not an effective economic system. it has now been replaced with democratic socialism which really isn’t socialism but non exploitive capitalism. your ayn randist milton freidman creative destruction only got them destroyed as both partys are now populist. only dope smokers infest the libertarian party. without them their would be no libertarian party. we in the democratic party have to control the excesses of capitalism since roosevelts time. the book tailspin explains why this is so difficult. you don’t need to be a communist to want to control capitalists with a nice long stay in a re-education camp so they can feel the error of their ways.

  6. captain*arizona Avatar
    captain*arizona

    when I was young I was a goldwater republican until I realized conservatism was evil incarnate. communism wasn’t the answer so it was replaced. same with ayn randist milton freidman creative destruction bull crap. both partys are now populist. with democrats under bernie sanders and young ocasio-cortez pushing non exploitive capitalism. you don’t have to be a communist to hate mitt romney or the koch brothers and want to see them in a re-education camp for delinquent capitalists. if it weren’t for dope smokers their wouldn’t be a libertarian party. conservative bots have been pushing this walk away crap/ conservative money couldn’t stop trump nor could clinton donor money. conservative money won’t stop what is going to happen in november. democrats are waking away from schumer and pelosi ;but toward alexandra casio-cortez NOT mitch mcconnel and drumpf. dream on or smoke on whatever.

  7. captain*arizona Avatar
    captain*arizona

    pussy riot just punked putin at world cup so no 1936 love fest for dictator this time! hope putin doesn’t do to them what hitler did to sphoie schoell. in the end we will always win and you will always lose!

  8. MSimon Avatar

    Non-exploitive capitalism?

    How about a non-exploitive economic system that actually works?

    No such animal. Because the commissars required to make it work become the exploiters.

    Fidel Castro is a very rich man.

    And the biggest help to exploiters is government. Which you want more of. Have you thought this through.

    I do get your confusion. You have some ideal in your mind about the way things function. But reality doesn’t match.

    The capitalists tend to be more expedient rather than relying on theory. It gives them an advantage.

  9. MSimon Avatar

    We absolutely know the cause of the majority of gang violence in Chicago.

    When will the Democrats make it an issue? Don’t they care?

    Assuming they are better than the Republicans.

  10. MSimon Avatar

    The Pareto distribution is common in nature.

    20% of the organisms capture 80% of the resources.

    It happens because of differential abilities. Small differences create big imbalances.

    Are you going to “fix” it or work with it?

  11. captain*arizona Avatar
    captain*arizona

    wrong again. speed limits don’t stop all speeding ;but it does keep in under control. sometimes the government over reaches like with photo radar to gain revenue. if you are not completely useless your job is to make the case when the government goes to far not to say we don’t need government regulations.

  12. MSimon Avatar

    Well OK. The government needs to regulate everything except when a case can be made for not regulating something.

    You are going to need a LOT of enforcers to make that work.

    And then you run into

    Nobel Prize Lecture – “The Pretence of Knowledge” Friedrich August von Hayek
    https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/1974/hayek-lecture.html

    And a comment that reinforces my original point.

    The reason for this is simple, unlike all other economic systems, capitalism harnesses human nature to produce value, while the rest attempt to fight or re-mold people to fit unrealistic assumptions about how things should be.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/07/ocasio-cortez-capitalism-will-not-always-exist-in-the-world/#comment-863342

  13. MSimon Avatar

    My idea of the ideal government is to have as few enforcers as possible.

    Your idea is to have as many as necessary (for what ever laws you think are needed).

    Now suppose the evangelocons get control of government and run with your ideas.

    Smaller government is safer.

  14. captain*arizona Avatar
    captain*arizona

    straw man argument as usual.little as possible and necessary should be same thing. when you go far over the speed limit you get your license taken away. don’t speed and you can drive down the road to get to your destination. if you think the speed limit is to low make your case to raise it not buy radar detector because you have the money . don’t be allowed to bribe or hire traffic cops or judges to let you get away with speeding.

  15. Kathy Kinsley Avatar
    Kathy Kinsley

    Bow to the state, Captain, no matter what they demand. Have fun.

  16. captain*arizona Avatar
    captain*arizona

    no thanks kathy. over at democratic underground or as I call it clinton’s cult the anti military are calling on the military to over throw trump in a military coup!

  17. MSimon Avatar

    Captain – you are not dealing with human nature and unearned (government) power.

    There will be corruption of all kinds at various levels (Fidel Castro is rich). The way to minimize that is to keep government as small as possible.

    There is a reason for double entry bookkeeping. And auditing.

  18. MSimon Avatar

    the anti military are calling on the military to over throw trump in a military coup!

    That is funny on so many levels.

    I think they’d have better luck with the CIA. Or the FBI.